The Awnser...N/A cams, are they worth it

[BIG4244]

So last night spent the evening at work testing camshafts.
Car is a mk3 Ibiza cupra AYP, bored out 1mm oversize, wossner 8.5-1 pistons and PEC rods, relentless v3 exhaust manifold and 85k+ miles old stock KO4, SFS 3" tip, custom 3"downpipe and decat, 2.5" cat back, LCR injectors and MAF housing, AirTec fmic, WMI 50/50mix, cold side relocation kit and 008p and early half mb TT revo software, and finally as of last night a pair of AGN camshafts. I'll let the pictures do the talking but as for testing 3 runs before, camshafts changed on the dyno to try and keep accuracy and finally 3 after runs, no map tweaks.

Results are night and day, gains between the lowest stock runs and lowest after runs show a peak gain of 18bhp and 35ft/lb and between the highest runs of the 3 runs gains of 18bhp and 32ft/lb

 

[Chambers_CUPRA]

Finally

Thanks for the info

Top work

 

[yellonvi-R]

What engine code the cams from?

 

[BIG4244]

Cam shafts were from an AGN

 

[wild willy]

Wow, that's a great contribution to the 1.8t community.
My next mod I think. No losses elsewhere in the rev range to offset the gains also. What were the peak power figs, does it drive well, how much were the cams and how long did they take to fit.
Cheers.

 

[MexxT]

i already asked, but do you have the part numbers

did you measure or compaired the cams before fitting them?

 

[BIG4244]

Sorry MexxT no part numbers on the cams other than the cam chain gears and they are the same numbers for all 20v cams, I believe chambers put up a list in a previous thread, AGN or ADR are the cams you need as for how it drives, it idles perfect and drives exactly the same apart form much more stronger! Totally transformed the car

 

[Chambers_CUPRA]

inlet:

058109021 = ADR und AFY 8,78mm, 210°, 4° n.OT
058109021.B = APX, ANB, AEB,APU, AJL, AGU, AQA, ARZ, AJQ, APP, APY, AUL 7,67mm, 190°, 18° n.OT
058109021.K = ADR, APT, ARG, AVV 8,41mm, 202°, 16° n.OT
058109021.M = AWT, AUM, ARX, ARY, AUQ, AMK, BAM, AUL, APP 7,67mm, 190°, 18° n.OT
058109021.F = AGN, APG 8,41mm, 202°, 18° n. OT
058109021.E = AWB 8,6mm, 207°, 9° n.OT
058109021.D = ADR, AGN 8,41mm, 202°, 12° n. OT

exhaust:

058109022.B = AQA, ARZ, AJQ, APP, APY, AEB, APU, ANB, AJL, AWT, AGU, AUM, ARX, ARY, AUQ, AMK, BAM 9,3mm, 210°, 10° v.OT
058109022.C = ADR, AFY, APT, ARG, AVV 10,25mm, 210°, 8° v.OT
058109022.D = AGN, APG 10,4mm, 210°, 8° v.OT__________________

Part numbers sizes and engine code info

 

[BIG4244]

i already asked, but do you have the part numbers

did you measure or compaired the cams before fitting them?

Forgot to also mention unless you have theexquiptment it's very hard to measure camshafts, I ran a digital vernier across all the cams and found the N/A ones to have a smaller diameter across the lobes, but it's total lift and duration is what matters

 

[MexxT]

ok thanks.

well hunting for a set of AGN cams starts haha.
if i could make 10-18bhp more out of my k03 hybrid, than it would pass the 330-340 border

 

[Chambers_CUPRA]

Be easier buying an engine lol

 

[jay-cupra]

great work!!, I'm rebuilding my head in the near future and will defo be fitting n/a cams now!!, was it both cams you changed or just the inlet??

 

[Ginge81990]

Are these cams able to take to the extra power etc? are they not made from a different material or something. Or are they exactly the same exept the size of the lobes etc giving higher and longer lift.

 

[MexxT]

already found 3 engines haha.

but how did you change the cams on the dyno?
you need to remove the belt?

 

[Chambers_CUPRA]

Think there made from the same yeah.

Just loosen the tensioner on the belt and chain

 

[Hartosh1]

Good information there mate. Does anyone know off by hand what cars had the AGN engine in them?

 

[Zippyobrien]

So that's with no tweaks to the map ? I imagine more must be available with vernier pulleys and a remap ?

 

[MexxT]

Audi a3

I found myself a set of cams

 

[Hartosh1]

Audi a3

I found myself a set of cams

You should try and do a before and after result aswell.

 

[Chambers_CUPRA]

A3 golf passat to name a few

1.8 20v non turbo lumps