remap complete......wow!!!

[tinbum]

as in, as soon as someone posts up with their RR results...and IMO reasonably realistic ones, straight away someone ALWAYS jumps in and completely rubbishes the result that person has got

seen it so many times across the Leon and the Ibiza sections, and its a culture or attitude which is just getting rediculous on these forums

fair enough, if the guy had said he got 300bhp+ then I could understand, but 276bhp is more than reasonable

What I dont understand is, is when someone posts their results up, there are "certain" people on here to choose not to believe the BHP claims and write them off everytime with "well its a dyno lottery mate"....well if thats the case, then what is the sodding point of having RR's if people choose to disbelieve perfectly reasonable results?!!!!

rant over!

lol................ok I see you point, but how do you explain such varied and random results ? Some people on here have spent hundreds of pounds changing exhausts, cats, filters etc and still only ended up with the same sort of power output that others claim they have achieved in a couple of hours work + I really dont go along with the cr*p these garages tell people. Oh the 210 is always 225 ???????? What ?? So why did Seat make a 225 then ??

Not trying to start an argument, but do you see our point ?

 

[traumapat]

how big is this tin of worms?

the big point is the guys pleased with the power.

but i think mike t at jabbasport is a genius and gets above adverage results when custom mapping... but is often doubted.

as for the pre map being high... dont knock the runs as being faulty. i dont think they would let you walk out of there with a dodgy graph without reason.

agree the zorst is a restriction on leons, at least it was on the cupra. cant see the filter adding more than 5bhp???

 

[HarveyGTI]

lol................ok I see you point, but how do you explain such varied and random results ? Some people on here have spent hundreds of pounds changing exhausts, cats, filters etc and still only ended up with the same sort of power output that others claim they have achieved in a couple of hours work + I really dont go along with the cr*p these garages tell people. Oh the 210 is always 225 ???????? What ?? So why did Seat make a 225 then ??

Not trying to start an argument, but do you see our point ?

my point was not about the 210 and the 225 engines, nothing to do with it

my point was, and a very simple one, is the sheer disbelief that people continue to persue with other members posting up their RR results

unrealistic results I can well understand, but time and time again, realistic ones are rubbished as well. Seen it oh so many times with the Ibizas and the K03s's fitted.

it grows very tiresome *queue action* "well you dont have to read the forums" i can hear someone saying right now

well of course I am going to read the forums as I am a very active member. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but really....i do despair sometimes!

 

[skahigh]

surely something like atmosphere can have something to do with it? my car feels much more responsive and powerful on cold days....but maybe i just want to believe....

 

[HarveyGTI]

anyway sorry Sparky to highjack the thread

*back on topic*

well done with the results mate, I bet you are really chuffed

I know when i drove my ibiza out of Jabbasport for the first time after it was mapped, the smile, grin and joy that i felt was just unreal

go and drive i say

 

[Dyscontinued]

surely something like atmosphere can have something to do with it? my car feels much more responsive and powerful on cold days....but maybe i just want to believe....

I'm sure it does, when I get up to Shipley Glen near me my cars always feel down on power, but on the M62 (highest motorway point in England) they feel fine. I'm sure there's not much difference cept the amount of sheep and (mind the sickness) dead bodies in the ground.

 

[lordgibbness]

I believe that manufacturer quoted figures are measured at the engine's output shaft, not at the wheels and therefore the net power at the drive wheels would be lower. I can only assume that the dyno is incorrect or has some kind of compensation to calculate the value at the flywheel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamometer#How_dynamometers_are_used_for_engine_testing

P.S. That custom remap does look good value for an additional 40-ish BHP. Would probably bring 0-60 down to the low 6 second mark. Time to start saving...

 

[skahigh]

thats a good point....the quoted figure is surely a "best guess" of the power at the flywheel so room for some movement!

 

[Mitchy]

Wheres mitchy when you need him?

Haha here i am

The thing is, the K04 turbo will not flow more than a genuine 275-280bhp.

If you have ''276bhp'' from just a remap, it doesn't leave much scope for FMIC/DP/Cat/cat back/ induction kit and TIP along with a stage 2 tweak.

I was exactly the same mate, i had my LCR jabba mapped Dec 2004 and off it came with 274bhp. I took it a week later to JBS where it recorded 261bhp.

Where had my 13bhp gone It was still running as good
It was not until another LCR was run on the same day with full exhaust/remap and induction, and recorded 272bhp that i realised the jabba results were a tad optimistic.

After a couple of years of studying many rolling road results across these forums, its always jabba who are too ''generous'' with figures.

Real power from stage 1 remap, somewhere in between 260-265bhp. Add everything else, 280bhp at a very maximum.

I remember songman before he was IHI'd recorded 302bhp at jabba with K04 I think not Some other people claiming 280+.

If you dont believe me, do a search on google for max flow rates of the K0x branded turbos. I 'think' it was feel that posted up a table of the maxflow rates from the borg warner site, showing 280bhp maximum. Thats straight from the manufacturer

The main thing is, be happy with the way your car is driving. Dont look too much into these so called figures

 

[Ruddmeister]

my point was, and a very simple one, is the sheer disbelief that people continue to persue with other members posting up their RR results

unrealistic results I can well understand, but time and time again, realistic ones are rubbished as well. Seen it oh so many times with the Ibizas and the K03s's fitted.

It's very simple, don't believe any figures from a rolling road there are too many variables........rolling roads are great to see the shape of the curve and power delivery also fault diagnosis that can;t be done stood still e.g. boost leaks etc

Lets not even start on operators who don;t have a clue and those fiddling results.

Rolling road days are a great place to meet and have the craic nowt else IMO

For my old car I saw a maximum at Stealth of 272bhp, JBS was 253bhp (with a boost leak) Awesome was 250 ish bhp and Westec was 240bhp.....hence the phrase Dynolottery.

Honestly I believe the remapped Ko3S will see a realistic 220bhp and a remapped KO4 (LCR) will see around 255bhp

 

[Nashy]

Haha here i am


I was exactly the same mate, i had my LCR jabba mapped Dec 2004 and off it came with 274bhp. I took it a week later to JBS where it recorded 261bhp.

Where had my 13bhp gone It was still running as good
It was not until another LCR was run on the same day with full exhaust/remap and induction, and recorded 272bhp that i realised the jabba results were a tad optimistic.

After a couple of years of studying many rolling road results across these forums, its always jabba who are too ''generous'' with figures.

Beat me to it. Theres no way to be sure of a real power figure. Even recently calibrated RR's will be out to a certain degree. Ive read quite a few stories from quite a few car forums about the fact that Jabba's RR is optomistic to say the least. Take it to another RR and see what you get, average both figures out and your probably getting closer to what your power is. Even then your gonna get other variants coming into play, heat, humidity etc, so just remember its not a bullet proof system.

I'm sure the difference is very noticeable, so thats all that matters

While the subjects open, i guess a re-map invalidates the warranty? Got a 3 year warranty when i bought mine even though its on an 04.

 

[Mitchy]

It's very simple, don't believe any figures from a rolling road there are too many variables........rolling roads are great to see the shape of the curve and power delivery also fault diagnosis that can;t be done stood still e.g. boost leaks etc

Lets not even start on operators who don;t have a clue and those fiddling results.

Rolling road days are a great place to meet and have the craic nowt else IMO

For my old car I saw a maximum at Stealth of 272bhp, JBS was 253bhp (with a boost leak) Awesome was 250 ish bhp and Westec was 240bhp.....hence the phrase Dynolottery.

Honestly I believe the remapped Ko3S will see a realistic 220bhp and a remapped KO4 (LCR) will see around 255bhp

Do you believe these 300+ figures flying around for 2.0tfsi? JBS 315bhp from just a stage 1 map 240-315

 

[EddyH]

Do you believe these 300+ figures flying around for 2.0tfsi? JBS 315bhp from just a stage 1 map 240-315

I think it's too early to say but perfectly believable, the k03s 150bhp 1.8T can achieve 220bhp with just a map and filter, % wise that's an even bigger gain than you menton above.

 

[HarveyGTI]

Do you believe these 300+ figures flying around for 2.0tfsi? JBS 315bhp from just a stage 1 map 240-315

now that is a power quote i would be curious about....

but have they detuned it so much that it actually gains that kind of power?.....I for once am optimistic in that case

to throw this one into the pot, friend has a tuned Ibiza Cupra, running K03s, DP, CAT, FMIC, induction kit, jabba remap

now every RR he has been to the torque has been absolutely spot on and the same each time, but the BHP has been slightly different

how does the torque stay the same each time if every RR is a "Dyno Lottery"

 

[jonjay]

Haha here i am

The thing is, the K04 turbo will not flow more than a genuine 275-280bhp.

If you have ''276bhp'' from just a remap, it doesn't leave much scope for FMIC/DP/Cat/cat back/ induction kit and TIP along with a stage 2 tweak.

I was exactly the same mate, i had my LCR jabba mapped Dec 2004 and off it came with 274bhp. I took it a week later to JBS where it recorded 261bhp.

Where had my 13bhp gone It was still running as good
It was not until another LCR was run on the same day with full exhaust/remap and induction, and recorded 272bhp that i realised the jabba results were a tad optimistic.

After a couple of years of studying many rolling road results across these forums, its always jabba who are too ''generous'' with figures.

Real power from stage 1 remap, somewhere in between 260-265bhp. Add everything else, 280bhp at a very maximum.

I remember songman before he was IHI'd recorded 302bhp at jabba with K04 I think not Some other people claiming 280+.

If you dont believe me, do a search on google for max flow rates of the K0x branded turbos. I 'think' it was feel that posted up a table of the maxflow rates from the borg warner site, showing 280bhp maximum. Thats straight from the manufacturer

The main thing is, be happy with the way your car is driving. Dont look too much into these so called figures

Excellent post as always

Yes...This is one of the reason why I am getting all the ground work setup before I get my stage 2 remap done.

I know that if I get a remap done on standard form I will get some optimistic figure, then add loads of mods later and another RR and get a lesser figure which would really annoy me. I also think you have to take into account tranmission losses when quoting figures aswell...?

 

[DPJ]

Honestly I believe the remapped Ko3S will see a realistic 220bhp and a remapped KO4 (LCR) will see around 255bhp

I think a well sorted Stage 2 K03S powered LC can have a higher power output than a standard 225 LCR, but I'm saying no more than that.

 

[HarveyGTI]

I think a well sorted Stage 2 K03S powered LC can have a higher power output than a standard 225 LCR, but I'm saying no more than that.

been proven many times, a well tuned K03s, will definitely put out more than 225bhp, time and time again, all day everyday

well tuned Ibizas with tuned K03s's give tuned LCR's a good run for their money, purely down to power to weight ratio

speaking of tuning, is it QST, that are doing the stage 1 remaps on the new Seat engines and claiming 300bhp+....but there chips are very expensive though?

 

[neilmac]

just to let you no guys n girls just got my remap done at jabba sport and what can i say im well happy, it now running 276bhp an 288ft of torque!!! it was 234bhp standard which i was a bit suprised as all it had was a replacement panel filter!! if anyone is thing do i, dont i, i strongly advise you to do it!!!! ive got a constant smile!!!!

I want one, what Id be interested to know is whats the best, average and lowest mpg it now does. The reason...I love to drive the car but I also do a 70 mile round trip commute where I like the car to be a little more economical - typically get about 35mpg out of it on a run.........with the remap is that a thing of the past or still acheiveable?

 

[name__taken]

I'd be interested to know about the new MPG figures too actually. I'm thinking about going to get a remap, probably from Jabba as they're only 40minutes away from me, but i'm not sure it'll be worth it financially.

 

[BCM]

I know what you mean about the rollers, they can be a lotto, but again i do feel that on this forum people do tend to jump down other necks regarding claims, i've prob been guilty of it myself but never a reasonable gain, somethin stuipid then yes, becasue if you believe those silly quotes 280 bhp plus on standard turbo with a map then you must be crazy!

once i get my map it will be going to a couple of RR to get a decent avg!