First time with vag-com logging...

[jaybeee]

Hi chaps

I have a 2003 Leon Cupra (AUQ). It has a stage 1 remap and a Forge 007p DV. No other performance mods.

I ran 6 logs today; first time doing this. Outside temp was 19c. Done in 3rd gear.

Not overly happy with the results to be honest. Air Mass looks low and CFs look too high. But I'm not expert hence me posting here. All help much appreciated.

I've posted this here as I think I'll get more help than in the vag-com section.

Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'120			
	Idle speed	Engine load	Inj. period	Air mass in		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		Engine Speed	Spec Load	Curr Load	ASR Status
TIME	700-820 rpm	15-25%	2.0 - 4.0 ms	2.0-4.5 g/s	TIME					TIME	700-6800 RPM	0-399 Nm	0-260 Nm	active yes/no
STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	 Nm	 Nm	
0.42	1760	77.4	8.84	27.39	0.82	0	0	1.5	0	0.01	1640	399.8	109.8	ASR OFF
1.62	2080	75.9	8.5	30.31	2.02	0	0	0	0	1.22	1960	399.8	127.4	ASR OFF
2.82	2480	117.3	12.92	61.42	3.23	0	4.5	2.3	3	2.42	2320	399.8	186.2	ASR OFF
4.13	3200	168.4	18.7	103.58	4.53	0	4.5	2.3	3	3.73	2960	399.8	258.7	ASR OFF
5.44	3920	152.6	18.7	115.64	5.84	0	3.8	5.3	6	4.94	3680	399.8	286.2	ASR OFF
6.66	4600	153.4	19.38	134.31	7.06	3	6.8	5.3	6	6.26	4400	399.8	262.6	ASR OFF
7.95	5200	148.9	21.76	146.28	8.35	2.3	6.8	4.5	5.3	7.55	5040	399.8	229.3	ASR OFF
9.17	5720	144.4	21.76	158.67	9.68	2.3	6	4.5	4.5	8.77	5560	399.8	219.5	ASR OFF
10.58	6280	133.1	20.4	160.47	10.97	1.5	5.3	3.8	4.5	10.18	6160	399.8	188.2	ASR OFF
11.98	6800	121.8	18.36	154.33	12.38	1.5	5.3	3	3.8	11.49	6600	399.8	168.6	ASR OFF
13.2	6240	9.8	1.7	9.67	13.68	0	0	0	0	12.78	6880	399.8	49	ASR OFF
14.5	3560	32.3	3.74	19.61	14.9	0	0	0	0	14.1	4120	399.8	43.1	ASR OFF

Group A:	'030				Group B:	'115				Group C:	'118			
	Pre-Cat O2	Post-Cat O2	 	 		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost	Actual Boost		Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost
TIME	111	110	 	 	TIME	700-6800 RPM	15-150%	990-1800 mbar	<=1800 mbar	TIME	700-6800 RPM	<=110 C	0-100% 	<=1800 mbar
STAMP					STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar
0.91	110	110	        	        	0.01	1640	67.7	1000	1160	0.42	1760	24	0	1180
2.11	11	110	        	        	1.31	2040	100	1670	1330	1.71	2200	24	93.7	1500
3.42	111	110	        	        	2.53	2600	133.1	1780	1740	3.03	2840	25	68.2	1800
4.64	110	110	        	        	3.82	3240	143.6	1760	1830	4.22	3360	26	58.8	1780
5.94	111	110	        	        	5.04	3760	142.1	1970	1890	5.44	3960	27	80.4	1990
7.15	111	110	        	        	6.35	4480	151.9	2030	2000	6.75	4680	30	80.8	2000
8.45	10	110	        	        	7.57	5080	148.1	1940	1920	8.05	5320	33	80.8	1910
9.77	10	10	        	        	8.86	5680	145.1	1860	1860	9.36	5880	37	81.2	1820
11.09	110	110	        	        	10.18	6200	133.1	1760	1770	10.58	6360	41	80	1760
12.29	110	110	        	        	11.49	6680	121.8	1710	1700	11.89	6800	45	65.9	1740
13.58	10	110	        	        	12.69	6280	9	1000	1220	13.18	5400	43	0	1090
14.99	11	111	        	        	13.98	3520	39.1	1000	1190	14.5	3520	39	0	1150
16.21	111	111	        	        	15.39	3520	41.4	1000	1140	15.79	3520	37	0	1140
17.42	111	111	        	        	16.61	3520	42.1	1000	1150	17.01	3520	36	0	1140

I did some searching and these blocks looked sensible to record. On further reading maybe I also need to record these:
Log 003 and 020 together
then 115 and 031
then 118 and 032

As I say I'm no expert whatsoever, but Air Mass looks too low (should be about 170g/s right?) and CFs are too high. So maybe a MAF issue??

Also, what about the boost? About right or slightly too low as well?

I was also thinking of replacing all my spark plugs and possibly doing my coilpacks at the same time; since afaik they've never been replaced since I've had the car in 2005 (except one coilpack that died on me in 2008).

I also had a fault code at start up: the infamous "16795 P0411 Sec.Air Inj.Sys. Incorrect Flow Detected". I've seen this and is now on my list of things to do. Not sure if this would be contributing to my less than ideal torque, air mass etc.

TIA

 

[jaybeee]

Anyone good with vag-com logs wanna chip in? Thoughts etc.

I use supermarket 95 petrol btw.

Or shall I do another set of logs with these:
Log 003 and 020 together
then 115 and 031
then 118 and 032

I do realise that I logged 030 and that was a mistake lol

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All I want is to get the car back to being "tight" as it were. Just feels like it's not on it's top game. Slightly laggy. And as I say the air mass g/s at 160 is not what it should be. I'm sure when it was remapped it was 168 or 170, I can't remember which.

Using standard airbox with 4" feed and green panel filter. mpg is no different.

 

[DPJ]

Yes please, would you redo the logs 003 & 020, 115 and 031, 118 and 032. Logging two blocks at a time will give you better samples. Flat road or slightly uphill. (No downhill)

Weird, your car appears to pull back at around 2500 - 3000 rpm.

What's the map?

 

[Mo Arif]

off topic (sorry) but how do you do logs? via VAG COM software? full version?

 

[Pyro]

well from my vag-com nowlege (wich is minimal ) lol your rough BHP output is 200 my g/s on stage two is 169 but munes really low yours seem a little bit low but no by much was told that you should exspect 150-170 on stage one but i dont know how true that is do the other logs tho and get them posted

 

[jaybeee]

^^ yeah I guess it depends on the way you work out the bhp.

Yes please, would you redo the logs 003 & 020, 115 and 031, 118 and 032. Logging two blocks at a time will give you better samples. Flat road or slightly uphill. (No downhill)

Weird, your car appears to pull back at around 2500 - 3000 rpm.

What's the map?

Thanks for looking & the advice Dave. I'll run those logs you suggest together as soon as I can. May be the weekend. The road I used was slightly downhill so need to find somewhere else that is suitable

Re. pulling back around 2500-3000rpm: that would be gleaned from the actual boost 118 block right? mmm that's worrying.

It's an e-maps map from 2006.

 

[jaybeee]

Sorry for the delay in getting this done.

Outside temp was 16C (dry).
Road was slightly uphill.
Supermarket (Tesco) 95 petrol.

On my first run with 003 & 020, block 020 didn't record, so I did it again. On this initial run the Air Mass In peaked at 161.25. The one below only reached 157.92. Not sure if that matters but I thought I'd post it.

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
	Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
TIME	700-820 rpm	2.0-4.5 g/s	0.2-4.0%	0-12 BTDC	TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
0.5	2320	29.67	18	22.5	0.01	0	0	0	0
1.3	2600	57.81	96.9	17.3	0.9	0	0	0	0
2.11	3000	89.78	100	8.3	1.7	0	0	6	3
2.91	3520	110.64	100	4.5	2.51	3	3	6	6
3.81	4000	115.17	100	5.3	3.41	3	6	6	6
4.62	4440	130.5	100	6.8	4.22	3	6	6	6
5.44	4840	139.03	100	6.8	5.04	2.3	6	5.3	5.3
6.34	5280	148.28	100	9.8	5.94	2.3	5.3	5.3	5.3
7.34	5720	153.61	100	15	6.85	2.3	8.3	4.5	4.5
8.26	6080	157.92	100	17.3	7.86	1.5	8.3	4.5	4.5
9.26	6400	157.17	100	18	8.75	1.5	7.5	3.8	3.8
10.16	6640	155.67	100	21.8	9.74	0.8	7.5	3.8	3.8
11.07	6840	126.53	47.8	9	10.67	0.8	6.8	3	3.8
11.97	6800	45.44	20.8	15.8	11.47	0.8	6	3	3.8
12.77	5480	12.39	9.4	10.5	12.37	0	0	0	0
13.68	3440	18.72	12.9	33	13.17	0	0	0	0
14.48	3440	20.94	13.7	32.3	14.08	0	0	0	0

Group A:	'115				Group B:	'031			
	Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost	Actual Boost		Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits
TIME	700-6800 RPM	15-150%	990-1800 mbar	<=1800 mbar	TIME				
STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP				
0.01	2160	44.4	990	1050	0.4	0.992	1	        	        
0.8	2280	60.9	1960	1020	1.2	0.969	1	        	        
1.6	2560	112	2160	1530	2	1.008	1	        	        
2.42	3000	148.1	2210	1980	2.82	0.938	0.945	        	        
3.22	3520	172.9	2070	2230	3.62	0.922	0.938	        	        
4.02	3960	150.4	2110	2000	4.42	0.922	0.93	        	        
4.83	4400	155.6	2060	2080	5.33	0.836	0.852	        	        
5.73	4880	150.4	1970	1960	6.14	0.782	0.774	        	        
6.54	5280	146.6	1920	1890	6.94	0.75	0.743	        	        
7.34	5640	145.1	1880	1870	7.86	0.75	0.704	        	        
8.35	6040	136.1	1790	1800	8.75	0.75	0.704	        	        
9.15	6320	131.6	1750	1770	9.55	0.75	0.688	        	        
9.97	6560	125.6	1720	1750	10.46	0.75	0.704	        	        
10.98	6840	127.8	1540	1780	11.47	0.75	0.711	        	        
11.87	6720	24.1	990	1340	12.37	0.789	1.047	        	        
12.77	5000	12.8	990	1050	13.17	1.991	1	        	        
13.57	3440	11.3	990	1030	13.98	1.991	1.047	        	        
14.38	3280	12	990	1030	14.78	1.991	1.047	        	        
15.28	3200	11.3	990	1020	15.68	0.774	0.828	        	        
16.1	3160	35.3	990	1040	16.59	1.008	1	        	        
16.99	3160	57.1	990	1190	17.39	0.992	1	        	        
17.81	3160	69.9	1030	1300	18.3	0.984	1	        	        
18.7	3200	72.9	1070	1320	19.1	0.984	1	        	        
19.5	3200	73.7	1070	1320	19.92	0.992	1

Group A:	'118				Group B:	'032	
	Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost		Idle O2 Adapt	Run O2 Adapt
TIME	700-6800 RPM	<=110 C	0-100% 	<=1800 mbar	TIME	-10.1	-10.1
STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP	%	%
0.01	1840	28	0	1000	0.4	-0.4	-2.3
0.8	1960	29	93.7	1020	1.31	-0.4	-2.3
1.71	2240	27	93.7	1420	2.11	-0.4	-2.3
2.51	2680	27	93.7	1780	2.91	-0.4	-2.3
3.42	3200	27	84.3	2220	3.82	-0.4	-2.3
4.22	3680	27	76.5	2040	4.62	-0.4	-2.3
5.02	4160	29	80.4	2050	5.44	-0.4	-2.3
5.82	4600	30	80	2030	6.24	-0.4	-2.3
6.64	5000	33	80	1940	7.04	-0.4	-2.3
7.44	5400	36	80.8	1870	7.86	-0.4	-2.3
8.35	5760	39	82	1850	8.75	-0.4	-2.3
9.15	6080	41	80	1800	9.57	-0.4	-2.3
9.97	6360	45	80.4	1760	10.37	-0.4	-2.3
10.77	6600	47	74.5	1790	11.28	-0.4	-2.3
11.78	6840	48	60.8	1680	12.17	-0.4	-2.3
12.69	6840	48	0	1240	13.18	-0.4	-2.3
13.58	5960	45	0	1100	14.09	-0.4	-2.3
14.58	3480	43	0	1150	14.99	-0.4	-2.3
15.39	3400	41	0	1040	15.79	-0.4	-2.3
16.19	3360	40	0	1030	16.59	-0.4	-2.3
16.99	3280	39	0	1020	17.39	-0.4	-2.3
17.81	3240	39	0	1020	18.21	-0.4	-2.3

Block 020 CFs look very high

 

[Pyro]

Edit:: all looks ok to me But I can't read half of it lol don't know a great deal about logging lol

 

[jaybeee]

There's nothing badly wrong with the car. It's just not what it used to be a few years ago... but then is that really unusual?? Anyway, I just wanted to get some knowledgeable people, like Dave, to take a look and see what they think. In case there is anything that immediately stands out requiring attention.

 

[DPJ]

CFs are a bit high. What's the map?

 

[jaybeee]

^^ it's an e-maps remap

btw petrol supermarket 95 (not 97 as I incorrectly said; I only use that sometimes).

 

[ibizacupra]

looks like a poor map, cheap?

fueling is excessive, boost is mediocre, timing is excessive (but your fuel is probably not suited to this)

 

[DPJ]

I think you'd have lower CFs on higher octane petrol. I don't think there's much wrong with your car, but I'm not keen on your map. (It's asking for fuelling that the ecu has no way of measuring - the maximum fueling the lambda can measure is 0.75, but the map is asking for 0.688 in one place)

Everything else looks fine - the maf may be under reading a bit. I'd run some higher octane fuel first and log again.

 

[DPJ]

looks like a poor map, cheap?

fueling is excessive, boost is mediocre, timing is excessive (but your fuel is probably not suited to this)

Bill posted while I was typing and said the same thing as me about your map.

 

[jaybeee]

Thanks Bill & Dave.

Good to know the car appears all ok... just the remap is not great They specialise in BMWs so I shoulda known. Been on the car for 4 yrs though lol

Not sure what other options I have now I'm in Northern Ireland though.

I'm gonna give the MAF a clean actually.

Many thanks once again.

 

[Smoki333]

95 ron on a remap may not help either, try running some optimax (higher octane) as i was told is needed for remap cars, otherwise you can get timing pull back.

 

[jaybeee]

95 ron on a remap may not help either, try running some optimax (higher octane) as i was told is needed for remap cars, otherwise you can get timing pull back.

yes, I always used to run it on 97 or 99 ron (Shell or Texaco or BP Ultimate) when in England. Mainly V-Max. But there is no V-Max in Northern or Southern Ireland! Seriously. Or afaik Tesco 99. Super Unleaded doesn't travel well apparently.

I filled her up with Sainsbury's SUL last night. Gonna try Texaco SUL next time and see how she feels.

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With regards to my remap: I guess there's nothing I can do except get a better remap?!

Will this inferior remap cause problems? Since I have it done for 3.5yrs and no major issues I'm guessing not. Just that it's not performing the way it could with a decent remap.

Does that make sense?

 

[Mr OCD]

As mentioned its a **** map... my own car had the same issues. A decent map and was sorted...