Abs system fault saga please help

Chief Beef

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Hi all before i begin i am aware of the common abs pump module problem but the car has been to Seat and dosent seem to be that.

Few months back the ABS light and associated tyre pressure and esp lights started coming on and off periodically until they came on and stayed on. Car was due a service so waited till it went in to get it looked at. Before they even looked at it they said it would be the common ABS pump module but service told me it was the O/S/R wheel hub and sensor. Continued to use the car until M.O.T time and new i would have to get it done to pass. Thought i would do the work myself to keep the cost down (big mistake), changed the sensor not too bad although had snap the old one to get it off.
Test drove the car, now a flashing brake system fault light came on above 40 mph. Tried disconnecting the battery to reset the system (another mistake) now had a power steering fault light up for my troubles. Thought now it was time to stop doing things myself.

Car went into local garage for M.O.T and diagnostic which showed system faults on both rear sensors they told me i would need two hubs an sensors. As i had parts for one side to do that first and see if it cleared that side.

Picked car up and in less than two minutes had the abs, power steering, brake system fault, engine fault, engine management lights come on plus the speedo stopped working. Now thats what i call progress. Phoned the garage in the morning to say what happend and ask if they could of done something with the code reader told me it couldnt be the code reader and to take the car back for further investigation.

Wasnt that confident with them and thought i better go back to Seat for a new diagnostic. This showed up the original ABS sensor fault and told me all the steering angle information had been lost hence the power steering fault light was on. Unfortunately they told me they couldnt code the steering angle information in until the other side hub and sensor were changed. Got the car back and now instead of power assisted steering i had power resistive steering where you have to force the wheel back to the centre position not nice to drive. Straight back into the dealership told me this was due to the loss of steering angle system information.

Got Seat to change the other hub and sensor again with aftermarket parts and guess what they still couldnt code in the steering angles because the system showed faults on the opposite side aaaaahhhhh. Told me if i left the car with them they would continue to investigate the fault but they didnt really have anything they could tell me they were going to do and having already spent £600 to make the car worse just for an M.O.T didnt fancy the prospect of a further £500 per day labour.

Am at a loss dont know what to do to find out what is actually wrong with the car currently the ABS POWER STEERNG SYSTEM ESP and TYRE PRESSURE lights are on with no power steering at low speed the other array of lights dosent come on any more.

Any previous experience or suggestions would be hugely appreciated.

PS had line checked for voltage at the ABS sensor plug and got 11.78 volts to prove the wiring not sure if this is right but for 12 volt system should be ok.
 

smashingguy

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Nov 8, 2010
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Have a look through my past threads. I had abs light on as well as power steering light, plus handbrake light flashing and other lights i can't remember. I also had no speedo, them my air con packed up. I took it to specialist who couldn't find fault but wanted it back for further investigation (at more cost). After reading up various forums, I bought a secondhand ABS unit with module for around £100. I put it in and then everything worked as it should (including the air con and speedo).

I have next to no knowledge of cars, so I ain't saying yours is the same thing.
 

stuartsjg

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Oct 22, 2008
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On the battery disconnection, I have the TCS/ESP light on and with VAGCom found it was caused by a sensor in the ABS unit. This is getting repaired with a good will subsidy from seat.

I initially tried disconnecting the battery. After I reconnected and started, nothing seamed to work, I had steering, ABS, TCS/ESP, hand brake, bulb failures... Pretty much every light came on. Some went off after a minute but the power steering and a few others took about a mile of driving before they went out.

VAGCom registers no faults so it must have been things getting setup, or the ECU booting up!

As yours continues to have these lights on, it's possible that what ever my car done to clear these phantom errors, yours isn't doing.

On the while ESP and ABS thing. The car reads the speed info from the 4 wheels, it also reads the steering angle and from that the rate of change of steering.
Also, G-Sensors read acceleration in two axis (left/right, front/back)

Given all of this, the car tries to work out what you want to do vs. what is actually happening.

If a given steering input does not create the G-sensor and speed sensor sensor readings the car expects, it uses the ABS system to slow a wheel or wheels to rectify what it doesn't like.

With this being said, if the system isn't calibrated to new sensors or there is a fault with the ECU, it won't come to the right conclusions and give an error.

Its possible that the ECU has not been properly setup to account for a possible slight difference a new sensor will create.

I imagine a dealer will have the correct software to calibrate things, a 3rd party garage may not.

Could be worth checking the calibration and setup of the whole system, perhaps by getting an ECU reflash.




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Chief Beef

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ABS saga

Cheers for the reply like i say car been in at Seat for this and they dont have any ideas maybe have to try another dealership but all problems on these cars seem to stem from the ABS unit and module so might have to try a repair on that. Also the fact they couldnt code in the steering angles suggests something wrong with the ecu you mentioned an ecu reflash is that something a dealership can do?
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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IV sent you a message bud to see if it was your abs unit that was at fault . Any help or info would be great , cheers
 

stuartsjg

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Oct 22, 2008
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Hi,

Totally forgot about this thread. Got the ABS unit repaired by the dealer and things have been fine since, no issues at all.
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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Think im going to have to send it away to get repaired again .I think bbs reman knew it was faulty when I contacted them as they were very willing to check it under warranty . All your probs are very same as what im having just now . Cheers bud
 

st@rgixxer

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Mar 27, 2010
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My car has started showing the three lights too, three times this morning in 25 miles!
A quick dip of the clutch & restart clears it, but sounds exactly the same as yours started.

What did you end up changing to clear the faults in total?

I need to try and get to someone with VCDS/vag.com as I ain't paying Arnold Clark another £85+VAT to scan the car...
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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Had mine at electrician this morn . He's cleared the codes but keep coming back saying there's a fault on both rear and steering angle sensor . I'm totally sick with it mate . I'm sending my abs unit back next week . Have you had a repair done on your abs pump/unit before ?
 

st@rgixxer

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Mar 27, 2010
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No no work done on my cars brakes at all since I've had it. I doubt SEAT will want to help out, 56 plate, 59k, 2 services by independant. The last service was by SEAT.
TBH, if I had to deal with Arnold Clark/SEAT UK again I'd probably slot myself....
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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IV 56k on my altea fr to bud . I dealt with seat Edinburgh before down at Portobello way . What a waste of time they were . Arnold ***** in Glasgow sold me the car with odd seats so Edinburgh were to change it but it was going to cost to much . I had abs and tc and tyre light on in Nov and turned out to be brake pressure sensor in abs unit . Il let you know how I get on with my abs pump . Are you on Facebook as im on there more than this
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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Mate I took off my abs unit and fitted the new one . You only need to know a bit about cars bud . Its not a hard job I would say
 

kernal

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ABS , ESP and Tyre Pressure lights on

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just had the above fault repaired by a local auto electrics specialist from reading the forum on this fault I was expecting the worst a new brake control ECU but I wasn't turned out to be corrosion on the underside of the multiplug connector simple fix corrosion all cleaned off plug and ECU and all back to normal I WONDER HOW MANY ECU's HAVE BEEN REPLACED NEEDLESSLY ????????????????? hope this helps
 
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st@rgixxer

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Mar 27, 2010
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Edinburgh
After getting all the way home last night, I thought it was maybe not going to happen again, then.... 5 times this morning... won't be long until theyre on all the time I reckon...
 

petrolhead55

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Mar 23, 2010
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Think il check the plug first . Was going to look at it this weekend to see if it maybe had damp in it . Cheers for the info
 

Keir

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Sorry to bump this, did you ever get a resolve for this, I've got exactly the same issue, however it's after a wheel refurb. So I think it's been knocked or something. Where exactly is the sensor/plug?
 

g3r

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Sorry wrong sub forum, please delete.
 
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