Head gasket oil leak?

Daveyseat

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Trouble is, you have since carried out further work to the engine in the same/similar location, so you wouldn't really stand a chance going to court...

Best option is to speak with them, threatening court action will probably have you laughed at.

I've not carried out any work on the head
 

Daveyseat

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An oil leak like that would have taken a while to appear, probably not apparent after a rebuild...

Trouble is, you have since carried out further work to the engine in the same/similar location, so you wouldn't really stand a chance going to court...

Best option is to speak with them, threatening court action will probably have you laughed at.

I didn't just threaten it went back 3 times but came back everytime leaking message after message what am I to do after they say no we will no longer work on it I have to take further action
 

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An oil leak like that would have taken a while to appear, probably not apparent after a rebuild...

Around 2 hours after a noticed oil leaking back of engine and over gearbox and from of engine the one at the rear stood out more after changing the cct gasket as that was the only oil leak left
 

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100% no bill looks like the head or seal but not 100% I've rulled out the cam cover and can't trace the drip other then where the drip appears to the right slightly it spent a totals of 9 days at the garage over 3 times for them just to rtv the cam gasket bottom and top so now will be taking it somewhere to investigate
 

s1 evoloution

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its a good thing you decided to check your engine you could have gone on a long run and either siezed your engine or completely destroyed all the piston rings and blown a piston and had the work the garage done responsible for a engine replacement.if if you can take the timing belt plastic cover off and with the engine turned off put your finger the the gap in the camshaft pulley and rub your finger against the back of the cam shaft pulley any oil here signifies the oil seal for the camshaft behind the pulley has the leak it can be a drip that turns in to a fine spray or just runs down the back of the camshaft pulley. if you got oil on your timing belt it really should be replaced. the cam shaft cover should be put on with the engine cold and both surfaces clean and dry. theres usually a small smear of instant gasket on the corner of the camshaft cover and across the top of the camshaft cover to make sure of no leaks. thats the way i do cam covers.
 

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its a good thing you decided to check your engine you could have gone on a long run and either siezed your engine or completely destroyed all the piston rings and blown a piston and had the work the garage done responsible for a engine replacement.if if you can take the timing belt plastic cover off and with the engine turned off put your finger the the gap in the camshaft pulley and rub your finger against the back of the cam shaft pulley any oil here signifies the oil seal for the camshaft behind the pulley has the leak it can be a drip that turns in to a fine spray or just runs down the back of the camshaft pulley. if you got oil on your timing belt it really should be replaced. the cam shaft cover should be put on with the engine cold and both surfaces clean and dry. theres usually a small smear of instant gasket on the corner of the camshaft cover and across the top of the camshaft cover to make sure of no leaks. thats the way i do cam covers.

Ya done that I did notice it still has the original seal on so don't know the just must of removed the head as one even though cam seals and other seals was in the eiring hg kit
Just can understand how a gasket can leak from new as all they kept saying was it was the cheap hg blah blah without looking I'm aware a garage won't blame there work but I have no trust in them after leaving the cct gasket off and my down pipe still blowing
Ya with no cct gasket it was leaking a tone of oil
 
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s1 evoloution

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so the garage just took the head of cleaned the block and the face of the head and put the head back on with oil still in the head so it made drips on the new headgasket before it was even torqued up mean while the oil that dripped on the head while it was waiting to get tightened caused a run oil for fresh oil so when it was tightened the oil that was present on the new headgasket hydraulicked creating a pressure leak. it means you will always have that leak aslong as that gasket is on there .so your running a head with old camshaft seals old valve stem oil seal and probably old coolant hose gaskets. the only place i would take the car is to a garage to fit a new headgasket. until dont use the car. me ive bought cars with blown headgaskets or misfiring to get them cheaper and done the headgaskets myself on 8 valve ,16 valve and 20 valve engines and timing belt and timing chain 4 cylinder and 5 cylinder currently looking for a v6 with headgasket problems for sale.
 

Daveyseat

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Well the hg kit was eiring and the seals have Germany on them
So must be the old ones so can you just remove a head like the how does it go for skimming and pressure testing with the head complete
 

s1 evoloution

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yes a head can be removed old hg taken off block cleaned and cylinder head cleaned. but its good idea to always get the head checked and find a local workshop to skimm the head costs usually £25 . ive done heads on engines it was the head gasket over heating pressurising also the timing belt tensioner failed bending valves in engines at high speeds and ive never ever had a cracked cylinder head. some local workshops that skimm heads already have the pressure test equipment they just bolt the head down to a special table. even engines that have bent or broken valves ive never had cracked cylinder heads.some workshops if your lucky will pressure test the head all in the price of the head skim and they take the valves out so you can see the valves but when you collect the head its then the engine builders job to put the valves back in with springs seals collects as most workshop remove the valves before the skimm.
 
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Daveyseat

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yes a head can be removed old hg taken off block cleaned and cylinder head cleaned. but its good idea to always get the head checked and find a local workshop to skimm the head costs usually £25 . ive done heads on engines it was the head gasket over heating pressurising also the timing belt tensioner failed bending valves in engines at high speeds and ive never ever had a cracked cylinder head. some local workshops that skimm heads already have the pressure test equipment they just bolt the head down to a special table. even engines that have bent or broken valves ive never had cracked cylinder heads.some workshops if your lucky will pressure test the head all in the price of the head skim and they take the valves out so you can see the valves but when you collect the head its then the engine builders job to put the valves back in with springs seals collects as most workshop remove the valves before the skimm.

I was charged £85 for skimming and testing
But they refused to tell who did it I guess they don't have to but would of like to known who ever try's to resolve this issue I'm gunna get them to note every possible issue causing it
The garage got on my nerves blaming the gasket without looking at it and not even knowing what's going on but was happy to do the work
I'm going to ring some local companies tomorrow see if I can find who done it
 
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s1 evoloution

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you should have a receipt to prove it was done.garages always say of who does head skimming. i always take the heads directly to the place i get them skimmed and they say ring later or come back next day to collect. you say camshaft oil seal you to get the cambelt of and remove the camshaft pulley. its the same with head gasket sets the parts fit its just how clean the surfaces are for the new parts. ive even made gaskets out of card for cooling systems and they have never failed. there could be this scenario if its not only the camshaft oil seal. the corner you have the oil leak. this is also a known reason for a head gasket leaking oil even when its new. the threads in the cylinder head bolt or bolts in that corner of the head could be stripped and that means the head is a fully tightened every where else and where the leak is theres very little pressure to stop the oil leaking. if the garage already knows thats what has happened then theres no way they want to remove the head and heli coil new threads . as you said the head was skimmed if thats true.then its either oil dripped on the block from the assembled head causing the leak or the threads in the cylinder head bolt in that corner are stripped or the head bolt snapped in the block. which means they knew about it reassembly. a snapped head bolt or stripped threads is not serious as .when the head is removed you have the protruding broken stud to loosen and remove as for stripped threads you just drill out the old threads use a airline to blow out the swarf from the area and put in a correct size heli coil that are sold on ebay tap it in and then use a screwdriver to twist out the retainer and its in situ just bolt head back down to torque wrench settings with a new bolt. gaskets only fail when fitted incorrectly means they are not fully tightened to torque wrench settings or the surfaces are not clean and dry.
 
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Daveyseat

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If that was the case why let it leave the garage they must know it will come back to bite them I'm praying it's only the cam seal causing the leak but I'm sure there gunna say that's not there fault as I asked it to be fixed not come out dripping with oil
 

s1 evoloution

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a lot of garages would rather send away a car they made a mistake repairing and its turned out worse because it will cost them time and money. so its easier to just keep sending you away until you stop coming back. is there any oil on the cambelt lower down as if it gets lower down the cambelt will slip on the lower crank and you will have pistons hitting valves this as you know is also another head of job.wipe the cambelt to see theres no oil on the inside of the belt where it makes contact with camshaft pulley and crankshaft and waterpump. any oil will cause premature failure of your belt either slip or snap.
 

Daveyseat

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a lot of garages would rather send away a car they made a mistake repairing and its turned out worse because it will cost them time and money. so its easier to just keep sending you away until you stop coming back. is there any oil on the cambelt lower down as if it gets lower down the cambelt will slip on the lower crank and you will have pistons hitting valves this as you know is also another head of job.wipe the cambelt to see theres no oil on the inside of the belt where it makes contact with camshaft pulley and crankshaft and waterpump. any oil will cause premature failure of your belt either slip or snap.

I'm not sure if there's oil low down will find out when it gets stripped down again which I don't have the money for but I'm hoping a going to court will help
 
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