Goodbye Leon

JMAC

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After 3yrs Leon ownership I've just got rid of my Leon ST FR 184.

The overall ownership experience has been very odd...

For the last 12 years I've had VAG cars as my daily drivers; all of them have had their merits but the Leon is the only one that has never let me down, not even warning light to replace a sensor costing a few quid. I've never had a single electrical or mechanical fault with the car.

It was fully loaded, with only a panoramic roof short of every option being ticked. The amount of tech in the car wold cost £k's on the options list on an equivalent Golf or Octavia. In 2013 Audi were still charging almost £2k for LED's. The spec was envied by friends and colleagues who had spent tens of thousands more on A4's and A6's.

The ST boot is deceptively big, bigger than an A6 avant (yes really!). It's swallowed all my bikes and kit, been rammed for family holidays and with Winter tyres fitted the car devoured a 1500 mile, snow filled holiday in the Highlands recently. It's really been the perfect family car.

Yes, I've had the same dash and door rattles as everyone else but I just hit Google and Youtube and worked out how to take the interior apart and soundproofed everything that was practical to do so. Made it a slightly more refined car but with the 18", 'Summer' wheels fitted it was still like being inside a transit van (ok refinement isn't a strongpoint of the Leon)

Initial experience with the supplying dealer were good but after they snapped some boot trim on the PDI, which was a nightmare to get rectified and then showed appalling attitude and customer service when carrying out the first service, I quickly made friends with my local independent specialist. I'm glad I had a good 'un as if I had to deal with the main dealer network for warranty issues I think I would have just cut my own head off (judging by some feedback on this forum).

Despite the largely positive ownership experience, I've just never 'loved' the car which is why I started looking at replacing it from quite early on (I know, I can't explain why either!?!). Then the single biggest issue with the Leon reared it's head - DEPRECIATION!

Every other VAG car I've had in the past has held it's value quite well, I ran an Octavia MkII for two years and it lost £3k in buying price vs p/x price. That's pretty good. I tend to buy new cars every 3-4 years and I'm fully aware that depreciation is the single biggest expense of car ownership but I've had dealers offering me as low £6k as a p/x, which was £1K less than it's GMFV. The car was immaculate too. I've sold 14 year old Mk1 MX5 for only a little less.

Anyway. I'm collecting my new car on Friday and I hope I 'click' with it this time. This really is a great forum and always a great source of info and advice. Thanks everyone!

FWIW. I have some 16" Winter wheels and tyres (will fit everything barring a Cupra), ST bootliner (raised position only) and roof rack up for sale. Will be going on eBay shortly. Please let me know if you're interested.


Happy motoring :)
 
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JMAC

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Ill buy the 18 wheels and trade you my 17s?

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No longer have the car, sorry. I have a single 18" performance alloy if that's any help (doubt it). I bought it as a spare from Dave @SERE (sells parts to SCN members on here).
 

noonoo63

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Thanks for the summary on your three years with the Leon. What have you gone for this time JMAC, I'm sure everyone will want to know.:cheers:
 

JMAC

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I've gone for a Skoda Superb Sportline. Spent a good few months looking and test driving cars from Mondeo to A6 and the Sportline was my standout favorite.
 

Ashworth

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After 3yrs Leon ownership I've just got rid of my Leon ST FR 184.

Despite the largely positive ownership experience, I've just never 'loved' the car which is why I started looking at replacing it from quite early on (I know, I can't explain why either!?!). Then the single biggest issue with the Leon reared it's head - DEPRECIATION!

Every other VAG car I've had in the past has held it's value quite well, I ran an Octavia MkII for two years and it lost £3k in buying price vs p/x price. That's pretty good. I tend to buy new cars every 3-4 years and I'm fully aware that depreciation is the single biggest expense of car ownership but I've had dealers offering me as low £6k as a p/x, which was £1K less than it's GMFV. The car was immaculate too. I've sold 14 year old Mk1 MX5 for only a little less.

I've just found the same thing with my 3 and half year old 1.8 Tsi Leon FR. I really can't understand why the depreciation on the MK 3 Leon is so bad, especially as mine is in good condition and it has only done 30,000 miles. I was having difficulties trying to get much more than £8k for mine in part exchange from dealers. I eventually managed to get it up to £9k with a VW dealer when ordering a new Golf. Is depreciation particularly bad with the Mk 3 Leon because when I sold my Mk 2 Seat Leon a 2.0l 170 CR Tdi back in 2013 I got £9.8k then.

I've already, in another thread, explained in detail the main reasons why have gone for a VW Golf GT Edition 1.4 Tsi DSG rather than another Leon FR. However, one reason was in hope that in another 4 years I will find that the depreciation on a VW Golf will not have been anywhere near so bad.
 
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liam007

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Hi JMAC,

I'm picking up my new ST on Thursday, could be very interested in your bootliner and roof bars. What bars are they? Where in the country are you? How much for them?

Liam
 

seatgraham

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After 3yrs Leon ownership I've just got rid of my Leon ST FR 184.
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It was fully loaded, with only a panoramic roof short of every option being ticked.
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Then the single biggest issue with the Leon reared it's head - DEPRECIATION!

Options don't tend to add as much value when selling or part exchanging. They may make the car easier to sell.

Depends what you paid for it new. Brokers are offering discounts in the region of 20% on list price, including factory options. So, trade in or resale value will be affected down the line.
 

JMAC

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Options don't tend to add as much value when selling or part exchanging. They may make the car easier to sell.

Depends what you paid for it new. Brokers are offering discounts in the region of 20% on list price, including factory options. So, trade in or resale value will be affected down the line.

Indeed and I thoroughly agree; I've only ever gone for options that appeal to me and will make ownership that bit more enjoyable. They make the car more sellable but add zero value add trade in time.

I got a big discount on the car to begin with as it was pre-registered and I thought that that would have taken care of a big chunk of depreciation but I was wrong, very wrong.

I think SEAT have flooded the dealer network and FR's are pretty common sight, no doubt reducing their residual value. It also doesn't help that you can pick up pre-registered/ex-demo's for £15k with almost zero miles on the clock, why buy a used one when you can have all the benefits of a brand new car?
 

JMAC

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niggle

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Despite the largely positive ownership experience, I've just never 'loved' the car which is why I started looking at replacing it from quite early on (I know, I can't explain why either!?!). Then the single biggest issue with the Leon reared it's head - DEPRECIATION!

Sounds like a similar situation to ours. After almost 7 years of ownership of a Golf Mk5 we were very excited at the prospect of taking delivery of a new Leon FR 1.8 TSI. For various reasons the Leon ownership was a bit of a let down and after 30 months and 16K miles we decided a change of car was on the cards.

We lost £10K in depreciation on the Leon after 2.5 years of ownership. The Golf Match 1.9 TDI that we previously owned lost £10.5K after 7 years of ownership. With a bit more effort on my part to secure a better trade in/sale price for the Golf we could have reduced that to £9K depreciation.

We bought the Leon with a decent discount but with hindsight it would have been much cheaper to take a Cupra on a PCH deal for 30 months.
 

seatgraham

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Indeed and I thoroughly agree; I've only ever gone for options that appeal to me and will make ownership that bit more enjoyable. They make the car more sellable but add zero value add trade in time.

I got a big discount on the car to begin with as it was pre-registered and I thought that that would have taken care of a big chunk of depreciation but I was wrong, very wrong.

I think SEAT have flooded the dealer network and FR's are pretty common sight, no doubt reducing their residual value. It also doesn't help that you can pick up pre-registered/ex-demo's for £15k with almost zero miles on the clock, why buy a used one when you can have all the benefits of a brand new car?

I think some negative media about diesels and VAG may be affecting residuals, like BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39088631
 

JMAC

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I think some negative media about diesels and VAG may be affecting residuals, like BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39088631

Yeah the common response from dealers was "it will probs just sit on our forecourt as nobody is looking for diesels at the moment"

Which is fine but when a VW dealer offers you less than book due to the adverse media of VAG diesels but flat out reduces any discounts on a **DIESEL** you realize people are taking the pi55!!

Which is a shame as I really did fancy the BiTDI Passat 4motion.
 
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seatgraham

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Yeah. Dealers will take a different tack when buying rather than selling.

I remember yrs ago being told by a dealer that my low mileage trade in was worth no more than book (which was far less than offered elsewhere). But higher miles would reduce the part ex price!
Of course they had cars on the forecourt marketed as low mileage at a premium price.

Of course it's the price to trade which is relevant. Rather than just the depreciation.




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GTI-Pirelli

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JMAC, it's interesting to read your comments as I very much felt the same.

I replaced a MK5 Golf GTI Pirelli Edition (Revo Stage 1) with a 14 plate Leon Cupra 280 SC. It was a great car but it just never felt right. I did the same rattle fixes and sound proofing. It was a great car to drive when giving it the beans but as a daily I just didn't fall in love with it. I have no idea why, as on paper it was easily as good as the Golf GTI. OK, so the interior wasn't quite as nice but still a nice place to sit.

My wife has a 184 FR which I drove approx 100 miles on mixed roads on Saturday. It's a very capable car but felt twitchy at times on dual carriage ways/motorways (sport mode helps). Overall it seems better built than the Cupra but still find it hard to get excited about it.

I replaced the Cupra at a loss of £7k after 18 months. I traded it in against an Audi A4 Avant Black Edition (S-Line). Such a nice place to be and so nice to drive. Mainly because I got fed up stuffing my mountain bike in the back of the 3 door Leon.
The dealer managed to get me nearly £2k on top of book as they have a Seat dealership in the group and the car had all of the options ticked (they knew they could sell it quickly). Bought for £22k, 18 months later book was £13k.

It's not just diesels that loose the money. Seat's reputation hasn't built up with the quality improvements on the cars. Plus the service department must have special training in rubbing customers up the wrong way!
 
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