Cupra wins again (Not completely)

[Deleted member 103408]

I don't know about NZ,I can only speak for the UK.
The GTmodel,which everybody goes for,has plenty of spec,check it out,and they have as much usability as you would want.
Better handling,better gear change,better engine.
It's only major faults are too extreme looks and physically a bit big for some B roads.
All the road testers are not wrong.
I'll assume you are not serious with your last sentence.

As I said,my Carbon ST is better for me because I wanted:
An estate
4wd
Auto

But the R is a fantastic driver's car,despite the look of it,and to dispute that fact is way off the mark.

Lucky for car manufacturers we all want something different and what is best for you is not best for me etc.

Both great cars but i prefer the MK3 Cupra, others would prefer the MK1, MK2 Cupra R, Others yet would prefer Ford ST, Honda etc.

 

[LouG]

I don't know about NZ,I can only speak for the UK.
The GTmodel,which everybody goes for,has plenty of spec,check it out,and they have as much usability as you would want.
Better handling,better gear change,better engine.
It's only major faults are too extreme looks and physically a bit big for some B roads.
All the road testers are not wrong.
I'll assume you are not serious with your last sentence.

As I said,my Carbon ST is better for me because I wanted:
An estate
4wd
Auto

But the R is a fantastic driver's car,despite the look of it,and to dispute that fact is way off the mark.

Well we have different spec then, one model but from what I can make out is similar to your GT. But several commentators have said the same thing. The Civic has a lousy infotainment system, the interior is low rent, R mode suspension is unusable on our roads, unless you have a chiroprator on retainer. And no gear change beats a DSG. It does have some lag at low revs, not the power spread of the EA888. The testers in this article launched the Cupra at 2k revs, from idle on the 300 when they got 5.5 to 100. That's a power spread.
Let's not forget the Honda effect, it has some mystical effect on motor noters. They think Honda is the font of all engineering wisdom, yet they can't make a reliable bike cam drive. They've rattled for the past 30 years.
I don't rate them, cars or bikes. Honda is like apple and Sony, they do it their way even when their way doesn't make sense.

And yes, the Ateca will eat the Civic to 100 k's by at least a second, and do it without cop attracting wheelspin and drama.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

PS. I forgot to add the most important point of all. I'm not paying for any car and then having to look at an Earth Dreams logo on the engine. I'd buy an electric car first.

 

[Deathjam]

Torque is pretty rubbish for measuring acceleration I find. Never got a car within a second of its claimed time using it.

torque once said my old clio 8v 1.2 did 0-60 in 4.5 seconds (10 seconds faster than it should), so yea torque can bit finicky at time

 

[CupraRobX]

Here's the link to the Autocar article published on the NZ site:
http://www.nzautocar.co.nz/car-revi...egane-rs-vs-seat-leon-cupra-comparison-review

 

[Kirky]

Here's the link to the Autocar article published on the NZ site:
http://www.nzautocar.co.nz/car-revi...egane-rs-vs-seat-leon-cupra-comparison-review

Thanks. I was looking for this yesterday and could only find the preview.

 

[bgb]

Here's the link to the Autocar article published on the NZ site:
http://www.nzautocar.co.nz/car-revi...egane-rs-vs-seat-leon-cupra-comparison-review

Interesting read. And while I agree with all points, I don’t agree how it goes win for the Honda. No doubting it’s a great car, just how can a report say positives all the way for a cupra apart from understated looks and choose the Honda?

 

[Deleted member 103408]

But despite both the Cupra and the Megane being better all round cars, the muppets chose the Civic as winner because they're a bunch of wanna be 16 years olds and they love faux spoilers and vents.
But we know which is the real winner, don't we?

As above and the fact we all like different things so it no surprise we all love the Cupra more

 

[LouG]

Interesting read. And while I agree with all points, I don’t agree how it goes win for the Honda. No doubting it’s a great car, just how can a report say positives all the way for a cupra apart from understated looks and choose the Honda?

Exactly my point. Glad you see it. Even giving the performance win to the Civic is strange.
But when you see the junkets that Honda send motoring journalists on, you begin to see cause and effect

 

[Oldbutswift]

Exactly my point. Glad you see it. Even giving the performance win to the Civic is strange.
But when you see the junkets that Honda send motoring journalists on, you begin to see cause and effect

So how did you find the Civic type R when you drove it?

 

[LouG]

So how did you find the Civic type R when you drove it?

At the Honda dealer, where it stayed.

 

[ChrisM75]

I find the Honda a bit obvious, and while 18y/o me might have drooled over it, 44y/o me finds it a little too much. I like that the cupra looks like a family hatch with big wheels. The Focus RS is the same, too chavvy, its like they took styling tips from 90s teens who read fastcar magazine.

 

[bgb]

I find the Honda a bit obvious, and while 18y/o me might have drooled over it, 44y/o me finds it a little too much. I like that the cupra looks like a family hatch with big wheels. The Focus RS is the same, too chavvy, its like they took styling tips from 90s teens who read fastcar magazine.

See I like the RS. I’d have it in black or that dark grey, the performance blue is what makes it shouty. Think the civic may be slightly OTT for our UK market but fit the Jap and for east markets well.