LCR Change for VXR

[rst_cupra_r]

personnally really dont like it nothing to do wit it bein vauxhall had some awesome spec'd novas in my time and i liked the 888astra gsi turbo (nearlbought b4 th lcr just was built like ****), but i think th vxr just lloks like a blinged up grandads car with crap handlin, horrible torque steer, cheap tacky dash dont like any off the wheels and the i never think they really stand out but like th focus st really i can really see why i like old cars now there so much better lookin an more raw, really only like th s3 and r32's at th mo oh wouldnt mind a vx220 as a plaything

 

[Chins]

personnally really dont like it nothing to do wit it bein vauxhall had some awesome spec'd novas in my time and i liked the 888astra gsi turbo (nearlbought b4 th lcr just was built like ****), but i think th vxr just lloks like a blinged up grandads car with crap handlin, horrible torque steer, cheap tacky dash dont like any off the wheels and the i never think they really stand out but like th focus st really i can really see why i like old cars now there so much better lookin an more raw, really only like th s3 and r32's at th mo oh wouldnt mind a vx220 as a plaything

Looking at the picture of your Escort, questioning styling seems a bit rich

You might want to have a drive of a VXR before thinking it has bad handling and torque steer.

Jonathan

 

[andyvxr]

personnally really dont like it nothing to do wit it bein vauxhall had some awesome spec'd novas in my time and i liked the 888astra gsi turbo (nearlbought b4 th lcr just was built like ****), but i think th vxr just lloks like a blinged up grandads car with crap handlin, horrible torque steer, cheap tacky dash dont like any off the wheels and the i never think they really stand out but like th focus st really i can really see why i like old cars now there so much better lookin an more raw, really only like th s3 and r32's at th mo oh wouldnt mind a vx220 as a plaything

LOL - Use of the word 'tacky' from a Ford Escort owner....

 

[paul26982]

rather buy the newest evo you could buy for 20k or even a subaru

 

[Timbo]

Erm.... seeing as we are talking Vauxhalls, I've recently (reluctantly) had to make the decision to get an Astra SRi Diesel, 150 BHP version as my company car list is a bit limited - anyone know what sort of simple mods are available, i.e. is serial port programming a possibility ?

 

[Spanky]

Erm.... seeing as we are talking Vauxhalls, I've recently (reluctantly) had to make the decision to get an Astra SRi Diesel, 150 BHP version as my company car list is a bit limited - anyone know what sort of simple mods are available, i.e. is serial port programming a possibility ?

Thuning boxes seem the cheapest and most productive for these, the Astra's use the 16v engine on both the 120 and 150 bhp engines (unlike the Vectra's 8v 120bhp) and they both tune to the same BHP, about 180-190 is easily obtainable.

They are about £300 and can be fitted in minutes too... also being a company you can remove them in minutes too, if needed, always a bonus !!

Back on topic...

 

[Legohead]

Makes intersting reading for me having a history with Vauxhall Astra turbos, had a coupe then GSi and been on astra sport forum for over 3 years.
The new Astras are a world apart build wise to the old ones that I had, the VXR is good value for money. I'm not keen on the sport hatch styling as whole, C pillar in particular but the VXR pulls off the 3 door shell far better than lesser models.

I really couldn't bring myself to buy any other hot hatch other than a Golf GTi for C£20k mark, would have one instead of the LCR tomorrow if they weren't stupid money used.

 

[paul26982]

would rather have the st2, people say it just looks like a normal focus, know way if u know your cars and the vxr is even worse, just looks like a sxi

 

[morebeer]

About as reliable as my LCR then, gearbox, clutch pedal assembly, clutch, climate, engine managment sensor x2, temp sensor x2, radiator fans, gear knob x2, badges x2 etc etc. Still enjoyed it though.

 

[Spanky]

I would have an ST, Evo, Scooby, Golf GTi, Civic Type R, Clio 197, Renault Megane 225 etc etc before a VXR. As far as I can see it has the same basic engine as my 96 plate 2.0 16v Ecotec Ashtray which needed 2 head gaskets, had rust appearing at 3 years of age, multiple sensor failures, weak gearbox etc etc.

Thats the problem, people think they are same as a 96 plate VX, well thats there problem isn't it... people need to wake up and smell the earl grey.... things change, things move on, hopefully its Seats turn next !!

 

[tackleberry]

I would say test drive one.
I did and I think its to aggresive, it just doesnt do smooth.

i'll agree with that every poke on the accerator had the 19" wheels spinning

I've got one on order to replace my very un-reliable 03 LCR. Should get it in around 4 weeks time. Got mine for £19,027.00 with crusie, climate, bluetooth, sat nav, 19" alloys and mats. Got to say cant wait. Test drove both the VXR and the ST. Prefered the VXR as it was just a little different. I felt the ST looked just too much like any other Focus, although it was a nice drive if not a little squeaky

personally i prefered the st it sounded great, handled fantastic albeit a little cramped for the driver but in my opion was the better car but the raw power or the astra does make you grin

 

[tackleberry]

You might want to have a drive of a VXR before thinking it has bad handling and torque steer.

Jonathan

the one i test drove torque steered like a bitch first prod of the throttle the wheels were spinning and i was half on the other side of the road The dealer shat himself

 

[Cupra Ross]

I'm sorry if this is pi**ing on anybody's fire but having owned 3 Vauxhall's, the last one being a 04 plate Vectra, I have to say they are still buckets of sh*te despite the numerous improvements.

The seats are crap on all models. If you think VW's/Audis/SEATs have dodgy engine management, you'll be as happy as a pig in sh*t with a Vauxhall, they eat sensors like they're going out of fashion. The residual values are pretty much the worst in class regardless of vehicle (Monaro excepted). The build quality is not even on the same planet as anything out of the VW stable. Worst of all, Ford drivers look down their noses at you

I was lucky enough to get out of the Vectra with minimal cash loss. If somebody asked me if I'd spend £18k+ on a new Vauxhall, be it a VXR or any other, I'd politely ask them if they wanted help getting back to the mental hospital. I've got a perfectly good drain outside my house. I'd sooner throw my money down that than buy a Vauxhall that'll be worth about 50p three years down the line.

What Car reckon it'll be worth roughly £8200 at 3 years old. You can't even get a 3 year old Cupra 180 for that at a dealer and it was £4k cheaper to start with/

 

[Chins]

What Car reckon it'll be worth roughly £8200 at 3 years old. You can't even get a 3 year old Cupra 180 for that at a dealer and it was £4k cheaper to start with/

What car also reckons the SRI will be worth more in three years, shows up a serious flaw in their figures, especially with the limited number of VXR's being made.

 

[morebeer]

My LCR at less than three years old has been valued at £8.5k trade in and was estimated at 9k trade in at Dec 04 by a Seat dealer. Not exactly holding its value. With regard to the VXR looking like a sxi i agree but with a different bodykit and wheels as does the Focus ST look like the Focus LX with a different body kit and wheels. Sorry but its all down to choice. Both me and my wife prefered the VXR over the Focus. At the end of the day I am not worried about a fraction of a section to 60, 100 or 150. After all based on stated figures if that was the case the civic R is a better car than an LCR.

 

[rst_cupra_r]

andyvxr & Chins
i aint really bothered wat u think of my rst i know it looks good as wenever i drove ot people of all ages would stare at it and ask all bout it plus won lots of shows with it and is standard lookin apart from rims but hey it would p1ss all over the astra vxrrrrrrrrrrrr so boring all day long well it has whipped some already!! and i have test drove the vxr thanks i dont pass judgement till i have been in an drivin a car its not my fault i dont like it no need to slate my cars but like a said im not bothered as both my cars would whip th astra an i was mearly sayin how all new cars this day seem to look so similar an older cars stand out more in there indivdual looks and are not so round looking i can name loadsa better lookin older cars then the vauxhall and th lcr but thts my opinion

 

[Cupra Ross]

My LCR at less than three years old has been valued at £8.5k trade in and was estimated at 9k trade in at Dec 04 by a Seat dealer. Not exactly holding its value.

It must be in very poor condition for such a low valuation!

These figures are from Glass's and this is what the dealer has in his book. If they're offering you less, they're ripping you off.


SEAT Leon Cupra R
1.8 Petrol 5-door Hatchback
6 Speed Manual Front Wheel Drive
Year: 2003 53
Mileage: 30,000

Part-exchange Price:
Excellent condition:
£11250

Average condition:
£10100

Below average condition:
£9070


Compare it to this:


Vauxhall Astra GSi
2.0 Petrol 3-door Hatchback
5 Speed Manual Front Wheel Drive
Year: 2003 53
Mileage: 30,000

Part-exchange Price:
Excellent condition:
£7620

Average condition:
£6860

Below average condition:
£6150


Leon list price in 2003 was £17995, Astra GSi was £16670. If you bought the Cupra R, and kept it in excellent condition, you'd have lost £6745 over 3 yrs/30k miles. If you'd gone for the Astra, you'd have lost £9050. Thats almost £2.5k more depreciation than an LCR.

At the end of the day, its your money and your choice. Wouldn't be me though.

 

[morebeer]

No very good nick. Only has two stone chips on the whole car and one scuffed wheel. Any other minor damage that has occured (i.e scratches) have been repaired. The dealers I have spoke to go from a 'caps' price guide (dont have a clue what it is though). Also my car has done 48k, which is apparently 12k to much for the age (advise from my local Seat dealer), which may account for the low valuation.

 

[Cupra Ross]

That would probably explain it. CAP and Glass's guide tend to be about the same. Parkers is miles away most of the time.

Even so, you should be able to get at least about £9k trade-in for it, depending on the deal they're offering you on the VXR.

Looks like you've been quite unlucky with your problems on the LCR. The Astra VXR is no doubt loads of fun but having had a few Vauxhalls, they tend to be a lot less fun when it comes to selling them.

 

[WeeDru]

No very good nick. Only has two stone chips on the whole car and one scuffed wheel. Any other minor damage that has occured (i.e scratches) have been repaired. The dealers I have spoke to go from a 'caps' price guide (dont have a clue what it is though). Also my car has done 48k, which is apparently 12k to much for the age (advise from my local Seat dealer), which may account for the low valuation.

I thought milage was only a couple of hundred quid off the price, dont hold me to it but think it was 5k = £200, so because yours had 12k more for age it would have been an extra £500ish taken off price?

Anyone got the exact figures?