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Dunlop SP sport. Nuff said!

Peugeots used to be - they now make overpriced crap. Renault sport have the best chassis nowadays generally. Vauxhall have started to make some better 'sporting' cars lately imo.

They are, however, a damn sight better built than Renaults and Peugeots! :p

Dave, no worries! ;) Its just that I have been riding bikes for sometime now and cringe when guys decide on a whim to do direct access and then go out and buy a Fireblade! :doh: Believe me, after passing your test, even something like a Hornet, Fazer, SV650 etc. will be a fair step in...

vRS Dave, Not even passed your test yet and going straight out and buying a high powered sportsbike eh? You do realise that they are not like cars, don't you??

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What does this tell you about the fickle British car buying public? :whistle:

.................but I would still rather drive a Seat with no paint on it than a BMW Mini Cooper! :whistle: ;)

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the soapy water trick?

yep, that gives you some idea why even a modest motorcycle accelerates as quickly as a Ferrari!

Well you seem to have purchased the motorcycle equivalent of the Toyota Avensis! ;)

If the Cupra actually rides worse than an Ignis Sport, don't touch it! :p

Must admit that I'm mostly referring to the FR, which only gets crashy when the road surface is really bad. Didn't really have long enough in the Cupra to test it to the full. Quite frankly, if the Cupra has tougher suspension than an Ignis Sport, I would not touch one with a 10 foot barge...

Sorry mate, don't agree. One of my best mates has a standard CTR that I have driven on many an occasion, I have also driven an Integra Type R and owned a Nissan Primera GT and Suzuki Ignis Sport. I love Japanese cars, but their idea of Sports suspension is to set everything to 'rock hard'! imo

I mean my old Tdi used to have 330lb/ft torque which is the same as a Ferrari 360, but hey it was no ferrari chaser. Even my mini would wip the floor with my old diesel now. That maybe so, but I would rather drive a 1.2 Seat than a Mini Cooper. :p

The Ibiza FR and Cupra both ride like magic carpets compared to most 'sports suspension' on a lot of Japanese performance cars imo.

The TDi engine is not even properly run in at that mileage!!

hmmm, a French car with good build quality? I've owned at least 10 French hot hatches, Renault, Citroen and Peugeot. They are all fantastic fun to drive, especially the handling, but to be honest, if you find the Renault to be better built than the Seat over time, I will eat as many hats as you...

Why we are on this subject, what about the 1.9tdi 105 bhp put in the Altea Reference sport?