Amateur Racing

Timberwolf

w1ickeds1ck
Dec 31, 2006
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Berkshire!
Hi guys,

Me and 4 other collegues are looking to buy and ready a cheap track day car.

Our idea is to buy a cheapish fast road car such as a MK1 or MK2 VW golf, strip it out, put in a roll cage, upgrade the brakes, suspensions, tyres and maybe tune the engine for a few more BHP.

Can someone recomend a better car and also somewhere we can take it racing against similar amateurs? I am thinking in a minor racing series or endurance race.

Thanks in advance,
 
Nov 29, 2007
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Mansfield, Notts
the Pug 106 or Saxo VTS would be a good little car to rag round a track. Better to have a smallish car/engine that you have to really work rather than a bigger car/engine. Keep it cheap and don't flash cash on mods.

The only down side to sharing a car for this sort of thing is the fact that it is shared. Someone has to store it (until their partner gets the hump), if it needs work doing or gets crashed people get funny.

Not trying to put a downer on the idea, but just go into it with your eyes open and get everyone to stump up the cash for the car, a seaons racing and slush fund in advance.

Another good choice would be a Xsara VTS (2.0 16v 167bhp) - used to have one on 17's and it handling was excellent and it was rapid through 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
 

Timberwolf

w1ickeds1ck
Dec 31, 2006
134
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Berkshire!
I was looking at a 106gti or A Saxo VTS but the others didn't like the idea :shrug:

The car will be stored at our work, its a locked car park with 24/7 CCTV. One of the guys already has a trailer so thats something we can save on. I know what you mean by not going crazy on the mods, we know all too well that it will be the parts and maintenance cost thats going to be a killer.

A good friend of mine has dropped a Audi S3 210bhp engine into an old VW Polo, I am hoping he might consider selling it as body wise, its not looking all too good.

The car would not be worth much because of the condition, plus it cost him near enough nothing to buy the S3 engine in the 1st place.
 

obes

Active Member
Jun 7, 2010
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Northampton
www.bpmracing.co.uk
Hi timberwolf!

You plan is grand, but there's a good few things to think about!

When it comes to the car, only prep it yourself if you REALLY enjoy doing it and doing the prep is part of the fun. If it's all about the driving, then your probably better off, trawling racecarsdirect.com, motorsportads and the motorsport section of pistonheads to find one that'a already done. Prepping to race standard can be a pain!

Just stripping out and caging is fine for trackdays - you'll have a fantastic laugh and will embarrass some much more expensive machinery!
but..
Racing is a different matter - things have to be properly sorted with the car/equipment and then with you. There isn't any racing that isn't taken extremely seriously, even the smallest championships of the cheapest formulae have to conform to MSA specifications.

The car will have to not just be caged, but caged to to the standard required by whatever series you want to race in, plus you'll have to have a certain standard of harness, fire extinguisher etc etc (and they have a life after which they have to be replaced).

The best piece of advice that I can give from my humble experience it that the best way to get faster is to spend the money on yourself, not on the car. A few hundred quid spent on coaching with a reputable instructor like Callum Lockie of Graeme Glew will take more time off your lap than £000's spent on your car! Drivers right up to the highest level still take regular coaching. I can't reccommend it enough!

Unless you've already got it, you'll need equipment too - helmet (again, not just any helmet - it must be approved and 'stickered' by the stewards), Race suit (again has to be a certain type and in date), fireproof undies etc etc. Plus, although not a requirement yet, you really need a Hans device - I wouldn't reccommend competing without one.

If you lose the road legality of the car (which you'll probably will in order to make it competitive) then you'll also need a good tower to tow that trailer. If you're going to carry spares then you'll need to shift them too. Spares are always a massive catch22....they're expensive to sort but there's nothing worse than paying your entry fee and then breaking down for want of a £20 part!!

IIRC MSV were doing odd days where you can compete, but if you want to actually race in a series, or do test days, you'll need a racing licence. For this you have to do your ARDS test. It a 3 part thing with a written exam, a driving test and a medical. The info is on the MSA's web site - you'll need the "Go Racing" pack. There's a few places you can go to do it.

Have a look at these sites, they'll give you some ideas of what you can go racing in;
http://www.750mc.co.uk/
http://www.barc.net/competitors/index.php
http://www.brscc.co.uk/
http://www.msvracing.co.uk
http://www.britcar24hr.co.uk
there's a few more too, but I can't remember them!

Hope that helps!! I know it sounds negative but if you can it together it's the best fun you'll have sitting down!! ;)

O.
 

Willie

LCR Track car
Aug 6, 2004
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Sunny Scotland
Awesome advise there.

I was going to add your better to decide on what sort of racing you want to do and where before choosing the car.
Like for hill climbs and sprints you might not want to strip the car out as it'll put it into a different class etc.

As above too about coaching, perhaps buy a car as a track day car and take it from there, then as your getting more proficient start looking at a more competitive car suited to the series/type of races your wanting to do.
Prepping a track day car is expensive but a race car is a whole different league.
If you all don't have at least £15,000 for this project then perhaps its a non starter.
Hill climbs and sprints are another thing, you could perhaps prep a competitive car for £5,000 each
 

Timberwolf

w1ickeds1ck
Dec 31, 2006
134
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Berkshire!
Thanks mate, this is great.

I ran this by the others and they are really keen on the Golf GTI championship. Most of us agree, this is the one for us but there is always one who's not sure.

We'r going through the regulations, which doesn't look too bad to be fair.

I am hoping company will sponsor us on this.
 
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