Battery drain issue on 1.4SC Ibiza

[ZBOYD]

Ok Ibiza Mk5 aficionados' help me out.

My cousin owns a 6J Mk5 2008 Ibiza SC 1.4.

She went away on holiday for a week or so and came back to a dead Ibiza. Nothing had been left on.

First time it happened, her dad charged it up and she took it to a local dealer, who diagnosed a bad battery. Without consulting me, she went ahead and got a brand new battery installed (while the car was under warranty).

All seemed fine on an almost daily basis until she left the car again for a period of 10 days over the xmas period. Came back to a dead Ibiza again. She called Green Flag who came out to her, and he said battery had been drained by something on the car, he suggested alarm (I think unlikely) but said the battery was fine. Gave her a jump/boost and all has been well on a daily basis since. But she knows if she leaves it for anything up to a week or more its likely to be flat again.

Now i've read a thread on here about others suffering similar issues and getting a software update, which may or may not of solved the issue? I presume this is to correctly turn off or reduce the current draw on whatever is staying active after the car is turned off.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=276832

Also found something similar reported on the RAC forums as well as on some foreign forums.

http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?12604-seat-ibiza-1-4-2009-3-door-repeated-flat-battery

Its pretty poor in my opinion for a modern car to be draining its battery in under a fortnight, for example I left my Leon Cupra parked un-started recently for several months due to some health problems (long story), and it fired up first time like it had been parked ip the day before. Despite the alarm LED going out after a month as I believe it is designed to do.

She again took the car to the same local dealer (won't name them but they are not my favoured choice)

As the car is now out of warranty they wanted £76 to plug it into a diagnostic, which when my cousin complained at the cost they said ok we can do it for £60. Revolving price structure obviously.

Anyway she decided not to pay out and has left it as it is for now, as the car is ok on a daily basis. I think in the colder conditions its only going to be putting strain on the battery and I can see that period of time beginning to drop where it could end up failing after just a weekend parked.

The dealer also suggested that the software update mentioned by other owners is not gospel.

I plugged her car into my VCDS at the weekend and did a full auto scan. It came up with a number of faults, which i believe are only related to the fact the car had no power.

If anyone has had this software update and it solved your issues can you let us know about it, and if you have access to VCDS or are a tech in the know, if the SW number is listed in the logs below can you compare numbers?

Any assistance would be gratefully received, don't believe that anyone should have to pay to have a lead plugged into a car to check the software is at least up to date, at the very least it should be a nominal charge.

Saturday,12,January,2013,12:29:04:48933
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.5
Data version: 20121222
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Chassis Type: 6N0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 4B 56

VIN:    

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03C-906-024-BXW.lbl
   Part No SW: 03C 906 024 BK    HW: 03C 906 024 BH
   Component:             MM4HV G 3052  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
   VCID: 68D5D1B458CCFE5889C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6J0-907-37x-ABS.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379     HW: 6R0 907 379 
   Component: ABS8.2 front  H03 0004  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 100224DB017100B3082E24E580D500000000
   Shop #: WSC 04941 000 00000
   VCID: FBFF1EF87E5AC5C0F4E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 6J0 820 043     HW: 6J0 820 043 
   Component: Climatronic   H07 0203  
   Revision: S0000000    
   VCID: E1C34C90F8F60F10CE2

1 Fault Found:
00447 - Function Limitation due to Over-Voltage 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 21
                    Mileage: 25866 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2113.14.02
                    Time: 15:59:49


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 087     HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: PQ25 BCM      H06 0011  
   Revision: BF006001    Serial number: 9425A180080021
   Coding: 7C8829A88861010000200000660B1CC800C0400F608C00002000
   Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
   VCID: FAF11BFC7560FCC8EF8

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 A    HW: 6R0 959 802 A  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  001 0232 
   Coding: 030000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 C    HW: 6R0 959 801 C  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  001 0236 
   Coding: 020000

4 Faults Found:
00893 - Switch for Trunk Handle (E234) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 22
                    Mileage: 25898 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2113.14.05
                    Time: 13:26:51

00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 8
                    Time Indication: 0

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 8
                    Time Indication: 0

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 10308 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2022.14.20
                    Time: 05:55:45


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655     HW: 6R0 959 655 
   Component: VW10AirbagA0D H07 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003000000000
   Coding: 003044
   Shop #: WSC 06401 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_SE25.rod
   VCID: FF07EAE86642D9E0D86

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 3492ERB402H65FVP63V0

   Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3502ERB402539FQJAROY

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 6J0 920 900 K    HW: 6J0 920 900 K
   Component: KOMBI         017 0018  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 410A00
   Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04020
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
   VCID: 2F677AA876A26960886

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0011  
   Coding: 422100
   Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
   VCID: F0E539D4231CB69851C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 6J0 920 900 K    HW: 6J0 920 900 K
   Component: IMMO          017 0018  
   Serial number:               
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03002
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
   VCID: 2F677AA876A26960886

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V272  
   Coding: 10121
   Shop #: WSC 06402  
   VCID: EDDB20A0A02E5B707AA

No fault code found.

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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module        Labels: None
   Part No: 6J0 959 441 
   Component: MF-Modul       0007 0001  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 77005 000 00000
   VCID: F0E539D4E31CB69851C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 6J0-035-153.clb
   Part No SW: 6J0 035 153 B    HW: 6J0 035 153 B
   Component: Radio G3 UL   H55 0033  
   Revision: 0H001001    Serial number: SEZ1Z2H5680944
   Coding: 0501040002
   Shop #: WSC 04941 000 00000
   VCID: 234F8698226ADD001CE

No fault code found.

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[m0rk]

It's got to be something around this:

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 10308 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2022.14.20
Time: 05:55:45

I don't suppose it was serviced at 6k miles was it? Looks like something is iffy with the coding of the unit

 

[deanz cupra tdi]

I would look to see if the boot light has gone out when locked up as I've heard that a few times

 

[ZBOYD]

It's got to be something around this:

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 10308 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2022.14.20
Time: 05:55:45

I don't suppose it was serviced at 6k miles was it? Looks like something is iffy with the coding of the unit

That's the only fault I wasn't really sure of. I've not reset the DTC's at this point because if it goes to a dealer I'd rather the faults be still visible. But a dtc reset could clear it and it never return.

I'd have to ask her, but based on her overall mileage its likely it was serviced around that point.

 

[ZBOYD]

I would look to see if the boot light has gone out when locked up as I've heard that a few times

Its worth a check for sure.

 

[MJ]

The BCM controls almost everything electrical on the car, if its incorrectly coded I.e for a 5 door when it only has three doors the module constantly looks for the missing components - keeps can bus in the awake state which can kill the battery.

The only way of getting the coding 100% is spend ages matching the equipment codes or online via Geko.

It wouldn't however be the first 2008+ ibiza to be fitted with a poor quality battery from the factory.

Seat have a set procedure for checking them and getting it swapped under warranty can be pretty difficult.

 

[MJ]

Also with regards to the software version if you arrange to have the car at some point and visit me in didsbury I'll check the software version against the online releases and update if necessary (its more accurate to check it online against the newer software versions).

 

[ZBOYD]

Cheers MJ, I'll pass it on and see if she fancies a trip over.

 

[miha]

Did you guys made any conclusion?

 

[DANjustYEAH]

I had the same problem, got it sorted with a software update at the dealership

 

[RUM4MO]

I had the same problem, got it sorted with a software update at the dealership

Any possibility of you or anyone else being able to quote the workshop action that covers this?

Any cars with this remedial work having been done should have this recorded in their service book.

Thanks, I'm just think ahead so that I can try to get my local Seat dealer to include this in what they do when checking/updating S/W during the service (like they claim they do!) as I've suffered a battery drain for no obvious reason, in the past month - but only once.

 

[primee1]

I have the same problem bought my car in January if I leave my car for longer than 4 days it goes dead have had to phone the recovery guys 4 times just lucky I was still under Warranty. Like my car but having enough going to the seat garage in Glasgow to see if they can fix it. If it is a Software update how much does that cost average for that as out of Warranty??

 

[RUM4MO]

I think that your first problem will be getting a Seat dealer to be able to remember exactly which cars were affected by the S/W update requirement, an idle boast is made that Seat and Audi dealers check the cars at every service for outstanding S/W requirements and update FOC.

My experience of a 2003MY 9N Polo's needs for possible S/W update is that while that car showed all the symptoms of needing an update, they always said "not required", so 11 years down the line I just suffer the inconveniences.

One other thing, this might not be a S/W issue but a genuine fault that is being difficult to fix, so dealer not interested. Maybe remove boot and glovebox light bulbs if fitted.

Edit, check interior lights are switching off, VAG cars tend to have a supply source that is only kept active for a certain time after the car ignition is off and doors are locked, to avoid this potential problem, though there was a S/W update, reference number unknown to me yet, that made sure that this was working as intended.

 

[primee1]

Thanks for the help it's a seat Ibiza 2009 1.4 sport so going to the dealer tomorrow to see what they say if they don't fix it I'm just returning it as under fit for purpose rule so ok with that.. I'll let them know what you say however hoping they know the issue already but can't see that happening its Arnold Clark I bought it from..

 

[IbizaNI]

Think I just had the same problem with my battery, haven't driven it in 4days and it wouldn't turn over today, the battery worked as the radio and all the warning lights all worked but the time and trip computer all reset, got it started again by jumping it from my dads Golf. The previous owner had the battery changed as it's now an RAC battery so I'm guessing it could be the same problem as everyone else, should I get a software update for it from a stealer?

 

[MJ]

The software update is just a re flash of newer software on to 09 central electronics module, there is no specific action code.

 

[MJ]

an amp draw test is a must before you do anything though and more and more of these faults are stemming from faulty alternators.

 

[RUM4MO]

an amp draw test is a must before you do anything though and more and more of these faults are stemming from faulty alternators.

In the case of daughter's late 2009 Ibiza SC, it was a case of me jumping into car, started it up, reversed up driveway, then drove 50 yards to a giveway - charge "gone" light on, did an about turn dumped car in driveway and grabbed my own car. That was an alternator - probably regulator, failure, car was 3.5 or 4.5 years old with low mileage. I replaced the Spanish built (with UK made regulator) Bosch with a genuine Bosch rebuild from ECP - guy there was surprised to see such a new/clean Bosch alternator being handed in. About a year later, with a previously regularly longish runs only use, I jumped into car and was rewarded with all lights out and not enough charge to start! Removed battery and voltage was very low, recharged battery, left it for a few days off the car, voltage looked okay, refitted it and continued to use the car on longish only runs - no repeat of that problem - yet!

 

[primee1]

My car is running fine now. The problem was the dealer gave me a smaller battery so okay if I drove the car allot however I don't so always died and needed a jump start. Check if you have a bit of space were the battery is as my old one had allot. My new one however just fitted in and never touched it for 7 days and started perfectly. So that might be the issue, as dealers might give you a small battery rather than spending a few pounds on a good one..

 

[RUM4MO]

No, in the case of my daughter's car, it was bought new and Seat had fitted the correct battery, which is same capacity as that in wife's old 2003MY Polo 1.4 75PS, space for a bigger battery, as needed if it had a TDI engine, but correct for the 1.4 16V petrol engine.

Your car must have had a battery change earlier in its life, and someone was being a bit tight and stupid!