Bluetooth Audio Streaming - does it work for You?

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InDeNiaL

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At least they're now admitting that the car supports it!

That's only what they have said over the phone. I haven't actually got it in writing yet. Have asked SEAT UK to do a subject access request to get a copy of my notes held on their system (which I know does state it is possible). They want £10 for the priverledge of doing it... But not to worry... I will make sure I claim that back!
 
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InDeNiaL

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Just finished writing my dossier against SEAT UK and sent it off to Motor Codes. So we will see where we go from here. They did however, offer today to pay for an after market solution. But not a complete new headunit. I'm reluctant and don't want to lose voice activated dialing. They could try refunding me for the bluetooth pack that doesn't do what it says it should do!!
 

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Heard back from my guy at the dealership today - taken directly from his email:

Awesome Service Guy said:
Sorry for the late reply the way I managed to get the activation of the media streaming was;

On VAS 5051B the first screen select option for on board diagnostic.
Then there is an option for adaption.
When in adaption the is an option for plain text coding, select that.
Then there is a list of options and one of them is media streaming on/off, select media steaming on and wait for it to update vehicle and away you go, all activated.

Hope that helps someone out.
Keep fighting the good fight InDeNial
 

InDeNiaL

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Just to update everyone: It's been two weeks now since I raised a complaint through Motor Codes. SEAT have apparently replied last Friday and the guy at Motor Codes will read through the reponse tomorrow and decide as to whether it is "satisifactory". So come back tomorrow for the next exciting installment of "Bluetooth Gate". Nevertheless have pasted a copy of my orginal complaint below:

The Seat Ibiza sales literature makes reference to Bluetooth availability on the “Sportrider” model. “Adjust the stereo and operate your mobile by voice command. Depending on the phone type. For details of compatibility tested phones go to seat.co.uk” (Pg 36 – June 2011 Brochure). I have attached copies of the Bluetooth compatibility guides for the SEAT Ibiza, including the May 2011 version (which I saw when I purchased the car) and the latest November 2011 compatibility guide. These are also available to download from the SEAT UK website – seat.co.uk in the Service section.

I would like to make reference from the sales literature that these are compatibility tested phones. This directly correlates with the “tested software” column on the compatibility guide. The green ticks would suggest that each function has been tested on the Ibiza with each specific phone running the stated software. I have found Bluetooth calling works fine with the car; however “media streaming” does not as I have now learnt it has been disabled by default at the factory. This has been tested with a Nokia N97, which shows full functionality on both compatibility lists. During telephone correspondence, SEAT has stated that it has been disabled as they do not want customers having a “poor experience”. This is due to the media streaming having “poor sound quality” as it transmits in mono.

The compatibility guides make reference to a disclaimer that this function is not available on some SEAT models. However, this function has been disabled across all Ibiza models. For this reason alone, I believe the documentation provided by SEAT is grossly misleading, because the document is titled “Ibiza Bluetooth Compatibility” and there are several images of the Ibiza through-out. In particular a huge image of an Ibiza on the front page! For all intents and purposes, one would think this is definitely about an Ibiza. As part of my research into this issue, I have looked at other Bluetooth compatibility guides provided by SEAT for other models. The Leon guide is exactly the same as Ibiza apart the titling and images. All phones, software and functionality is listed the same as the “Ibizaguide. I am lead to believe that media streaming is available on some Leon models. However, this highlights the point of SEAT re-branding the same list, suggesting universal compatibility, when it is blatantly not the case. Even with the stated disclaimer, this would suggest that media streaming is available at least on some Ibiza models, which as previously stated it not an available feature on any Ibiza model. Therefore, it is felt this document is grossly misleading, which directly contravenes 1.1 of the Motor Code.

In correspondence with SEAT, while raising this issue, SEAT has stated “The Bluetooth compatibility list on our website refers to the functions available on each handset, not the vehicle”. This directly contradicts SEAT’s own sales literature which states the list is compatibility tested phones. After all, what use is a phone features list to a customer? I am sure most customers are aware their phones are able to make calls and include a phone book!

On SEAT’s internal Intranet, SEAT Direct, a bulletin was posted to all dealerships with the latest Bluetooth guides from November attached. This was posted in February 2012, after the purchase of the car in November 2011. However, the bulletin also stated that even though the compatibility guides state media streaming is universally available; it only available on certain models and included a supporting table of supported and unsupported SEAT models. The SEAT Ibiza was listed as unavailable. This extra information has never been and is still not available on the SEAT customer website or supporting literature at seat.co.uk. Thus, potentially continue to mislead customers. Had this information been available at the time of purchase, this whole situation would have been avoided as I wouldn’t have purchased the car.

Currently after numerous dialogues, SEAT are continue to refuse to activate the feature on the car as it goes against the standard specification of the car. The standard specification of the car just simply lists this generically as the “Bluetooth Communications Pack”. As a resolution, I would ideally like this feature to be activated under the warranty, with no costs incurred to myself. SEAT are currently stating media streaming can be activated, but costs will be incurred, which is felt and I hope understandably to be unreasonable. I feel SEAT need to address the issue of their Bluetooth compatibility guide, as it is misleading and suggests the Ibiza has freely available functions which have been disabled. This has been misleading since at least May 2011 when the Bluetooth compatibility guide was published and it has not been subsequently amended in later issues (November 2011).

SEAT’s response and resolution to this issue to date, has been bitterly disappointing. I have currently been recently dealing with SEAT UK on an executive level and have now exhausted the internal complaints procedure. A similar complaint has been raised to Trading Standards via Consumer Direct.
 

InDeNiaL

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Okay so the latest update on "Bluetooth Gate". SEAT after going through Motor Codes are still refusing to budge. However, they now acknowledged that their Bluetooth guide is mis-leading and its been forwarded to the UK product department for ammendment.

They are still refusing to turn it on as it affects the warrenty of the car. So that's basically it at the moment. Anyhow, they now have 7 days to respond to my queries before it gets taken to the next step (... which is legally binding). I certainly have no problems taking it to the next step because SEAT are on extremely dodgy ground. I have asked them to a) turn it on or b) refund me the full retail cost of the bluetooth pack... Lets see what they say.
 
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They are still refusing to turn it on as it affects the warrenty of the car.

Really?

Nothing about that was said to me, and I'm struggling to understand how a franchised dealership mechanic switching a proprietary software setting using official equipment can be deemed to be invalidating the warranty.
I've got the alarm chirp switched on too - do they claim that invalidates warranty as well?

I'm planning to extend the warranty when it runs out at the end of Q3 this year so it will be interesting to see what happens.
 

InDeNiaL

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Really?

Nothing about that was said to me, and I'm struggling to understand how a franchised dealership mechanic switching a proprietary software setting using official equipment can be deemed to be invalidating the warranty.
I've got the alarm chirp switched on too - do they claim that invalidates warranty as well?

I'm planning to extend the warranty when it runs out at the end of Q3 this year so it will be interesting to see what happens.

I'll share a quote from the email I had this afternoon from Motor Codes...

With regards to the request to have the function turned on, this would change the specification of the vehicle and could therefore affect the manufacturer’s warranty. Manufacturers never change the specification of a vehicle once it has left factory.

They have apologised that this information can be miss leading and for any inconvenience that this has caused. They have informed you that although the function can be activated, this would be done at your cost due to changing the specification. You would also have to have this completed at an audio specialist as the SEAT network will not change the specification of your vehicle. This could also affect the manufacturer’s warranty if it should cause any unforeseen faults.

Motor Codes (as do I) feel at the moment the reponse is unsatisfactory. SEAT acknowledge the misleading nature of the documentation but have not offered a resolution to the matter other than what I can do myself. They had no choice but to admit this because I have copies of internal documents where they state the guides are misleading. Although they did say in their response this is information I shouldn't of been made aware or given a copy of. They have 7 days to respond to this now and if it's still unsatisfactory, it heads to arbitration, where the outcome will be legally binding. SEAT have been made aware that this what I seek to do, should they a) not turn or on or b) compensate me for the full cost of the bluetooth pack. So stay tuned for the next exciting edition of "Bluetooth Gate".

I'll also be drafting a letter to Which? at the weekend. If it all falls down in arbitration, I'll be taking SEAT to the small claims court. If they think they can hide behind the "not available on some SEAT models" disclaimer in the Bluetooth guide, when there is a massive picture of an Ibiza on the front and the documents called the "Ibiza Bluetooth Compatibility", they are very much mistaken as no Ibiza in the range supports it. The Trade Descriptions Act is the law and the guide is frequently referenced in their sales literature. If they think the problems (or I) are going to just go away... They are more stupid than they look.
 
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InDeNiaL

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Well are you all sitting down for next exciting edition of "Bluetooth Gate and the Order of the Phoenix".

SEAT are still refusing to budge. So it's off to the arbitrators we go. I need to prepare a more detailed case now, so everything including the kitchen sink will be coming out. They are not prepared to turn it on or offer any "good will" which would have been the full RRP of the bluetooth pack. Interestingly, I asked for a copy of their full response to Motor Codes. They declined on this point to. Guess Mr SEAT can't be feeling very confident about winning this one!
 
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angelari

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Code monkey- can you tell me what garage you went to to get this done please. I have been to my local garage and they cannot do it as there software is not showing the options your guy has said. Am prepared to travel to get it sorted!
Thanks
 

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Code monkey- can you tell me what garage you went to to get this done please. I have been to my local garage and they cannot do it as there software is not showing the options your guy has said. Am prepared to travel to get it sorted!
Thanks

May consider it if not too far. How about a group buy/mini meet with the technician concerned :happy:
 

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Code monkey- can you tell me what garage you went to to get this done please. I have been to my local garage and they cannot do it as there software is not showing the options your guy has said. Am prepared to travel to get it sorted!
Thanks

Wayside Seat in Milton Keynes

James in Customer Service sorted mine out.

The method again:

Code:
On VAS 5051B the first screen select option for on board diagnostic.
Then there is an option for adaption.
When in adaption the is an option for plain text coding, select that.
Then there is a list of options and one of them is media streaming on/off, select media steaming on and wait for it to update vehicle and away you go, all activated.
 
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Cant remember if I've commented on this s(pretty sure I Have) but it can be turned on via vagcom but the quality of music over b/t is poor. USB stick is soo much easier/better

Jay
 

Scotty_

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Mines doesn't work for media only calls. The guy at seat says its only the Leon that is capable of it ! Which is kinda shitty imo.
 
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I didn't know you could turn it on tbh ? Does it tell you how to in the manual or anything ?

It has to be activated via VAG-COM(same way as deactivating Turning Fog lights ect), have a read through this thread, should be some information in it.

Jay

for what its worth, I rang my seat dealer asking them to turn off cornering fogs while it was having its service, they said it couldnt be done... But mine are off :)
 
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