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Differences between 130 & 150 tdi turbo

Discussion in 'TDi Tuning' started by prc, Jul 30, 2004.

  1. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    I've collected some pics from a friend and decided to put them up, because alot of people have been asking... :)
     
  2. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    Here are some direct comparison pics.. :)
     
  3. micky 32

    micky 32 Full Member

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    it says the 130 is a KKK? i notice the outlet side of turbo is in a different position? i looked at a 150 (golf) and my own 130 and they seem to look in the same place though, the outlet part that is. even though mine is a 130 it looks more like the turbo you have in picture for the 150.
     
  4. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    yeah the kkk k39 is used on the ibiza 130 & the alambra AFAIK. Garrett also has one used on the golfs and leons (looks more like the 150 turbo as you mention).
     
  5. slim_boy_fat

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    Confused Paulo i was under the impression that the 130 ibiza had the garett VNT-17 turbo..
     
  6. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    I've never seen a garett equipped ibiza 130, but have seen them in the leon & golf PD 130s. This doesn't mean that there aren't any garett equipped ones around.
    The pics are from a friend's car while it was being replaced under warranty with a brand new kkk turbo.
     
  7. micky 32

    micky 32 Full Member

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    it must be due to different routing of the pipes on the ibiza that they use a different turbo.
     
  8. slim_boy_fat

    slim_boy_fat Guest


    I always thought the the engines were identical and would come from the same source (exept the engine cover) on all VW-Audi-Seat-Skoda cars. Surely it would be more expensive to chop and change. I assume the KKK is a veriable vane type?

    This maybe explanes why the Seat 130PD seems to get a tad more power thna the Golfs when chipped. There have apparently been some occosions when the Golf turbos let go...
    Interesting...
     
  9. cpufreak

    cpufreak back in the UK

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    wonder what turbo the ibiza pd160 has then...

    I too had always assumed that PD130 and PD160 had different variants of the same turbo.
    (Similar to the 1.8T with its K03/K03S).
     
  10. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    not exactly sure but on the golf i think it's:

    - VNT17 (tdi130) -> GT1749VA
    - VNT17 (tdi150) -> GT1749VB

    think the pd160 might be the VB turbo..
     
  11. hibitdat

    hibitdat Leon FR TDI 150 Plat Grey

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    This is interesting! My Cordoba PD 130, which I would assume is the same setup as an Ibiza, has got a Garrett turbo...
     
  12. prc

    prc Sooty Meister

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    There's been quite a few guys swapping the ibiza pd130 turbo for the 150 garrett turbo as of late. Did a few logs last night with one, and can definitely say if you plan to run high boost (over 1.4bar) you deffo need another IC as the stock one just can't cut it...(as many of you already know)

    flat out in 4th the intake air temp rose from 36ºC to 100ºC in less than 2 minutes.... :-o :-o
     
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    Quote from internet



    "Ibiza Cupra TDI

    The new Ibiza Cupra TDI is the most powerful Diesel vehicle within its segment. Its 1896 cc, 160 hp (118 kW) 1.9 TDI engine mated to a six-speed gearbox is based on the León FR's 150 hp 1.9 TDI.

    Engineers at SEAT Sport have carefully fine-tuned the engine for increased performance. The result is a fantastic 118 kW (160 hp) output at 3,750 rpm, placing this TDI engine at the top of its segment. The 10 extra horsepower and 20 Nm extra torque achieved by SEAT Sport are delivered at the same rev range as on the 150 hp version. In fact, the new Diesel engine outperforms the 150 hp version across its entire rev range.

    With its high engine torque of 330 Nm at 1,900 rpm, the model reacts immediately to driver response, giving exceptional in-gear acceleration. The Ibiza Cupra TDI only takes 5.27 seconds to accelerate from 60 to 100 km/h in fourth gear, 7.16 seconds in fifth and 13 seconds in sixth.

    Further contributions to added performance include efficient electronic management, a redesigned intake and exhaust manifold, and the front intercooler, which enhances thermal performance by cooling intake air and increasing its density. This has a direct effect on power by taking better advantage of the fuel's combustion.




    The intake diameter is larger until it reaches the air filter, and the new diesel injection and turbo regulation mapping have increased horsepower without significantly increasing turbo pressure, which is now 1.55 atmospheres compared with 1.5 on the 150 hp TDI."
     
    #13 bowliog, Dec 23, 2004
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    prc Sooty Meister

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    Some more info here:
    The PD100 Polo also uses the KKK K39 turbo.
     
  15. StepOnIt

    StepOnIt Guest

    My car is a Ibiza TDI 130 & the original Turbo was a KKK (VNT17 A model).

    The difference to all the other VAG cars is bigger, because they all use Garret VNT17 (B model).

    The difference mesured in Dyno`s is sometimes more than 15 HP extra to the garret turbo.

    Just for notice the KKK company went to trial because Garret as the patent to the Variable turbo geometry. That means that KKK aren`t allowed to produce this kind off engines.

    After 60.000 miles I up-graded my turbo to a Hybrid Garret VNT17 (B- model), that actually boost my car to a 1.6 Bar (stable) & 2.0 (Hi)

    Asta la vista
     
  16. micky 32

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    what bhp are you getting with the hybrid?
     
  17. StepOnIt

    StepOnIt Guest

    It depends on the place you are doing the Dyno, because there are places that run the software at 100% and other that run at 90% . To me the 90% are the most correct ones.

    At this moment, measured at a good Dyno, has the following results:

    Din 70020 196HP
    Torque 408 Nm
    Turbo pressure 1.6 stable & 2.0 Hi
    Repro stage 2
     
    #17 StepOnIt, Mar 10, 2005
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  18. TdiSportR

    TdiSportR Guest

    Just to give you a hug StepOnIt!!!
     
  19. StepOnIt

    StepOnIt Guest

    hehhehehe

    Welcome evil White Ibiza....
     
  20. Ceky

    Ceky Guest

    Hi! The diff between 130hp and 150hp are that 150hp has a bigger IC front mount and the 130 has a small one on the right side usualy , secound it is the turbo that has a bigger compressor part inside and third is the software from the ECU .130 runs with 1.35bar maximum press. and 150 with 1.50bar. If you need further info gest ask.....Regards

    Ceky-DimSport Romania
    www.dimsport.ro
    ceky@dimsport.ro
     

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