DSG and stationary traffic

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Mine stayed off for a while
do you not have auto hold next to the electronic hand brake button? you press the brake once and let go and accelerator when your ready to go.

No I have an original Cupra and personally much prefer a proper hand brake and no kessy
 
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So why does it creep at idle? Doesn't that mean the clutch for the odd numbered gears is slipping?
It creeps as you lift your foot off of the brake. If you check the revs as others have said, you should see them drop so long as you have your foot on the brake hard enough. Its easier in the face lift with the electronic handbrake as the dash lights up and you can take your foot back off of the brake pedal.

Really grateful for the OP on this. Thanks.

Okay I do lots TESTS in lots of these cars in the group. [Audi Seat Skoda VW and commercials etc]

My management say that VAG have informed them that there are two types of DSG gearbox clutches fitted to its vehicles.
[Thats where my/our knowledge leaves me/us]

DRY and WET

Additional wear is taking place if they are left IN GEAR when ever stationary with the DRY ones.
I am to STOP advising them all not to do this [leave it in drive] in case there is a complaint of premature wear and a liability etc

SO I do not know if there is a year/cut off point/vehicles/spec/type/number of gears/latest/oldest.
OR just how to tell?

OR if it is 'errr' ass covering total B******S

So grateful for a definitive answer/guide as there is a tremendous amount of tech brilliance on here.
I very much suspect its to cover that the brake pedal is not being pressed hard enough when stationary for the system to disengage the clutch even in the dry versions. My understanding is that the dry systems are not as robust as the wet ones, also shown by the torque ratings.

Aren't some of the dry ones also single clutch too, so not strictly speaking a DSG.
 

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Mine stayed off for a while


No I have an original Cupra and personally much prefer a proper hand brake and no kessy
You know what, I was not looking forward to it, but now I have it I love it. So much simpler driving wise.

Will be interesting if it breaks though lol. At least with a DSG if the handbrake does fail, it automatically holds itself in gear when in Park :)
 

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This is another Manual vs DSG style difference.

I have driven cars with electronic handbrake and also with kessy but still prefer my old style, as I have no intention of changing my car I dont have to suffer this change.
Conversely though having been a manual driver for far to many years I love the DSG

But very happy you have it and enjoy it.
 

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All that i do is press the foot brake; provided you have set the auto handbrake button to on (other button which sits immediately behind electronic handbrake button) the car will hold automatically without you having to sit with your foot on the brake pedal.
I didn't know about that button to begin with and was finding it a real pain having to depress the foot brake at lights etc. Now having learnt this feature its great, leave car in drive ready to go and i sometimes push the gear lever back into S mode rather than allowing the car engine to switch off in stop start which i do have on all the time and is good if at rest for long periods of traffic congestion.
Hope that this makes some sense:)
 

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On my Leon 2.0TDI (wet) DSG, full press, revs drop, clutch disengages, light press, clutch still engaged. ON the Ibiza 1.0TSI DSG (dry), it doesn't drop revs nor disengages clutch when in D. Maybe only when engine is off.
 

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So why does it creep at idle? Doesn't that mean the clutch for the odd numbered gears is slipping?
No. That means the DSG has sensed you have selected D or R and the brakes have been released. And yes, the clutch is slipping just as it does on a manual as you slowly engage it.
A DSG is just an automated manual.
 

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Really grateful for the OP on this. Thanks.

DRY and WET

Additional wear is taking place if they are left IN GEAR when ever stationary with the DRY ones.
I am to STOP advising them all not to do this [leave it in drive] in case there is a complaint of premature wear and a liability etc
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If this were true, it would be in the owners manual. I do not believe it for a moment. Can you provide your source?
 

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So your Ibiza stalls at every stop then? How on earth do you drive it?
No, on the Ibiza, it's as if the clutch never disengages. It's always ready to go (7 speed). Hard brake straight to gas pedal, and it's off, well it stutters off (like in a manual dropping the clutch). On the Leon 2.0TDI 6 speed, if you quickly go from full brake to accelerator, it goes nowhere as drive is not engaged (even in D). It takes half a second to engage. If full brakes clutch disengage it's like at 600rpms, if clutch engages it's like 800 or somethign like that. So to launch the car, you need to hold the brakes lightly (as if balancing the clutch in manual), notice that revs are 'higher' and then you can push the gas and it goes. Ibiza, you can do hard press, soft press on the brake, it's always ready to go.
 

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No, on the Ibiza, it's as if the clutch never disengages. It's always ready to go (7 speed). Hard brake straight to gas pedal, and it's off, well it stutters off (like in a manual dropping the clutch). On the Leon 2.0TDI 6 speed, if you quickly go from full brake to accelerator, it goes nowhere as drive is not engaged (even in D). It takes half a second to engage. If full brakes clutch disengage it's like at 600rpms, if clutch engages it's like 800 or somethign like that. So to launch the car, you need to hold the brakes lightly (as if balancing the clutch in manual), notice that revs are 'higher' and then you can push the gas and it goes. Ibiza, you can do hard press, soft press on the brake, it's always ready to go.
My 1.4 ACT Leon also has the 7 speed DSG and it disengages the clutch when coming to a stop or when fully stopped, can usually tell by the revs dropping to 0.7kish when it's still engaged at low speeds it's closer to 1k. I've also found my box doesn't stay in first very long at all and almost instantly shifts to 2nd no matter what but 3rd, 5th and 7th all stay in gear for a normal amount of time.
 

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Rolling slowly into a roundabout, yes, 2nd gear selected it is usually, not a problem in the 2.0TDI Leon, but a problem from the 1.0 TSI Ibiza, no power. The 7 speed Ibiza shifts up crazy fast, even at 1700rpm it shifts on all gears. 30mph is usually in 5th. Only 6th to 7th it's a bit slow to shift up.
 

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Rolling slowly into a roundabout, yes, 2nd gear selected it is usually, not a problem in the 2.0TDI Leon, but a problem from the 1.0 TSI Ibiza, no power. The 7 speed Ibiza shifts up crazy fast, even at 1700rpm it shifts on all gears. 30mph is usually in 5th. Only 6th to 7th it's a bit slow to shift up.
30mph for me is usually in 4th but I think it's because the engine is mapped to take the higher rpm option instead of the higher gear so it can run in 2 cylinder mode easier, if I go up to 33mph it will shift into 5th but it won't always switch to 2 cylinders in 5th unless I'm on a flat road
 

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When in drive and stopped with the foot on the brake, the clutches are disengaged, as soon as you let off the brake, the clutches start to engage and thats where the creep comes from, so no need to engage N every time you stop at lights etc
 
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No, on the Ibiza, it's as if the clutch never disengages. It's always ready to go (7 speed). Hard brake straight to gas pedal, and it's off, well it stutters off (like in a manual dropping the clutch). On the Leon 2.0TDI 6 speed, if you quickly go from full brake to accelerator, it goes nowhere as drive is not engaged (even in D). It takes half a second to engage. If full brakes clutch disengage it's like at 600rpms, if clutch engages it's like 800 or somethign like that. So to launch the car, you need to hold the brakes lightly (as if balancing the clutch in manual), notice that revs are 'higher' and then you can push the gas and it goes. Ibiza, you can do hard press, soft press on the brake, it's always ready to go.
The clutch must disengage or the engine will stall. Mechanics 101. Try it on a manual, brake to a stop and don't depress the clutch.
You are getting confused with terminology. I've found that our Arona dry clutch activates quicker going from neutral to in gear than the Cupra wet clutch does.
The control systems are working out which gear to select next while driving, sudden unexpected changes can cause a brief period of indecision.
Humans do the same thing, but worse.
 

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Rolling slowly into a roundabout, yes, 2nd gear selected it is usually, not a problem in the 2.0TDI Leon, but a problem from the 1.0 TSI Ibiza, no power. The 7 speed Ibiza shifts up crazy fast, even at 1700rpm it shifts on all gears. 30mph is usually in 5th. Only 6th to 7th it's a bit slow to shift up.
The Arona is the same. Use sport mode for better response. Ours shifts at 2500 - 3000 with normal driving in sport.
 

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I have pre facelift 2016 with stop start turned off via carista . When at a stop with the brakes applied just enough to stop the car the rev are still at about 1000rpm if you press your foot harder on the brake the revs drop to about 700 and the stop start light comes on. So i'm assuming at that point the gearbox has gone into neutral as in normal circumstances the engine would of stopped.
 

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I've had DSG cars for years and have never had any clutch pack issues due to idling/creeping. As previously mentioned that when you come to a stop the DSG does automatically disengage the clutch.

I'm sure that the many millions of pounds towards research and development with the future advancement of the technology, coupled with repair feedback from customers over the years would've have resulted in the DSG boxes being reliably installed over such a range of cars.

We're lucky in a way, the earlier Ford Powershift boxes are another story!

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I've found that our Arona dry clutch activates quicker going from neutral to in gear than the Cupra wet clutch does.

It could be this, it's so quick that it's not noticeable. Assuming Arona is the same 1.0 TSI 7 speed DSG as in the Ibiza. plus most of the time, I'm moving off from engine off start-stop.

Wait so in theory, on DSGs, you can never do a 'left foot on brake' build revs on right, and let go off brake and go? How does the Cupra on launch control do it? drop the DSG clutch?
 
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