Fitting a pd engine and gearbox into a non pd (asv) car

leontdisx

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Hi.

Has anyone any experience in fitting a pd 130/150 engine into a car that has a 110 asv engine as standard?

Im sure the nuts and bolts wont be difficult but whats involved wiring wise? and immobilization wise?

is it a case of taking a pd engine loom and ecu and plugging it all in or is a complete car wiring loom required?

any help much appreciated

James
 

Muttley

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You need to change the complete fuel system too - PD engines use a lift pump in the tank, which will need power as well. PD engines have a fuel cooler in the return line, on the underside below the drivers seat. Fuel filter is different, larger for the PD engine.

The sensor set is different on a PD engine, obviously, so you will need the ECU along with the engine. The engine wiring harnesses have different part numbers and different plugs, so you'll need those from the donor car too.

PD's came with an 02M six-speed box, the distributor pump engines had a five-speed 02J. I've read that it is quite difficult to swap a six-speed for a five-speed and that it's easier to get engine and gearbox together from the donor car, along with the drive shafts. Clutch is different on the six-speed box and may need the hydraulic pipe from the donor car as well
 

leontdisx

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Thanks guys!! Im just weighing up the options.. my asv leon is a cracking car and its chipped to 135hp but I would like some more power, but its on 210,000 miles so although the engine is as good as the day i got the car from seat i dont want to ruin it! and have a broken leon.
if I got another asv engine and rebuilt it are their any mods that will see over 150 hp?
james
 
Mar 7, 2011
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As long as it has been serviced correctly and treated well then 210000 should be fine to tune.

If you want more than 150hp you will need a 150 turbocharger along with a set of uprated nozzles (speak to Seatmann about this he is an expert). You might also need a front mount intercooler. Obviously you will need a custom map to piece it all together too.

If you are aiming for 200hp then you will probably need a hybrid turbo with race nozzles and an uprated injection pump (the automatic gearbox engines have this larger pump) and again a remap to suit.

Also worth keeping in mind that if you are looking for this extra power then you will probably be looking at getting an uprated clutch and brakes to manage it all, you will also need to increase service intervals.

From what I understand the engines are pretty bulletproof if serviced correctly.
 
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Also worth adding that the cost of getting all the necessary parts for an engine swap is probably more than getting all the modifications to get the ASV engine to the magic 200hp.
 
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To be honest I do not know what the standard service interval is but it really depends on the quality of oil and filters you use and how you drive.
 

Leon2012

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Well this is a right old mish mash of a thread, lol

To answer the original question, there's no way it's worth it to even attempt swapping a PD engine in, what with a replacement PD car being cheap anyway.

I also don't get why you're paranoid about breaking your Leon, as your engine is running sweet and people on TDIclub.com have got TDIs in N. America with literally hundreds of thousands of miles on, and they still run well, even with loads of mods on!

So don't worry about that!

The thing with modding past a remap is that it gets expensive...really fast!

You could survive on your stock clutch until about 175 BHP, depending what condition it's in, maybe less with 210K on the clock already.

You've got to ask yourself where you're going to stop, before you start!

If you say you only want a mild increase, then account for about a grand, but if you want a substantial increase in power, then you're looking at thousands.

I've priced it up and for 200-220 BHP you're looking a 5 grand minimum!

For a reliable 175 BHP you're still looking at a fair bit of dough (i.e. nozzles, turbo, IC, PD150 manifold, clutch, remap, etc.)


It's also no good saying you want a mild increase now, and then changing your mind later, as then you have to sell all the mild mods, lose money on them, and then buy the bigger parts, so this is my best suggestion, done on your current car as it is now:

1). Get it properly serviced by a specialist, given some TLC and good quality oil, new oil, fuel and air filters, etc: to modify a car, you need a good base to work from and everything needs to be in good shape, otherwise the extra stress will cause problems.

2). Have the specialist clean out the intake manifold, as it will be clogged by now, and fit an EGR blanking plate (aka. EGR delete).

3). Have a decat done on your exhaust by cutting out the CAT, or replace the exhaust with one which doesn't have a CAT.

4). Get a set of Bosio R520 nozzles, and have them balanced by this guy, he's the best: www.dbwllc.net - ask Pete to dial them back for a VNT15 (i.e. your turbo, the GT1749V).

By getting these nozzles, you're future proofing yourself and they don't cost much more than PP764s which would be a lower option, and not upgradable if you want to get more power later.

"Seatmann" here on Seatcupra and TDIclub is in that boat, but he got his PP764s from Pete in N. America, and is very happy with them.

"United Diesel" in the UK can calibrate and set up nozzles too, but I would trust Pete over them.

5). Contact Mark Malone at Malone Tuning in Canada, and tell him you want a tune for the above mods: www.malonetuning.com - he's done hundreds of these cars remotely with great results, i.e. better than going local (read about him on www.tdiclub.com )

6). Be very happy with a reliable and really sweet to drive ~160 BHP car, for around a grand!


The next stage would be to fit a bigger turbo, but if you do that, then you greatly increase the chance of needing a new clutch, which are £500-600 for a decent one, and turbos aren't cheap either; rather than getting a PD150 turbo (aka. GT1749VB), you would be much better off with the newer 3rd gen. technology of the GTB series, e.g. GTB1756VK, GTB2260VK, again costing a fair bit, but are powerful.

So it's upto you, but there are your options, as I've got a 110 ASV myself, and in the same process of upgrading.
 
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I was always under the impression that the stock (VNT15) turbocharger was only good for about 150hp before you start to cause damage, which is why I suggested upgrading to a VNT17 (tdi 150) turbocharger. That way you would get the reliability and the performance along with a nice big grin!
 

Leon2012

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Hi aymen,

Where did you get the idea that a VNT15 is only good for 150 BHP (not off "john_tdi" surely! ....just pulling your leg John, lol :lol: )


Things have moved on a bit since those old ideas and hybrids, etc. VNT17s are 10 year+ old technology - the 3rd gen. GTBs are where it's at now....e.g. fast spool up on a GTB1756VK and much more power than a GT1749VB!

Check out some of the guys on tdiclub.com running R520 and VNT15, they make over 150 BHP easily and without any smoke!
 
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I understand what you are saying but the B seems to imply a "boreless" hub which can run more boost due to the increased strength and reduced weight.

I believe the Leon 110 tdi only got the GT1749V which is not boreless and therefore is not suitable for much more than 150hp. If the 110 turbo is good for more than 150 then why did they put a larger turbo in the TDi 150?

Correct me if I am wrong
 

Leon2012

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Hi there,

The "B" just denotes a model number, you're thinking too deeply into it, lol

i.e.:

GT1749V for 110 BHP
GT1749VA for 130 BHP
GT1749VB for 150 BHP


The VB is bigger and better than the V, of course, and has titanium blades which the VA does not, but the point is that if you're going to buy a new turbo, why not get an even better turbo than a VB, i.e. a GTB-VK, as that is way better than the VB in every way: more powerful, more reliable, stronger boost, new 3rd gen. technology, whereas the VB is looking very dated in comparison.
 

Leon2012

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John, if you're a bit slow to catch on, that was a reference to the old thread where you insisted a PD150 turbo would not go beyond 200 BHP, and I proved you wrong ;)
 

john_tdi

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Not slow, just dont live on forums. Busy doing things in the real world.. And No you didn't lol. Blimey get a life!
 

d1n93r

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so if my vnt 15 was to pop tomorrow. i'm looking to get around the 150bhp mark but i want reliability and not to much work to fit it to the car. what turbo do i go for and would would i look to spend on either of them?
 

Leon2012

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Having a GTB1756VK would be ideal, but it means more fabrication...

A second hand GT1749VB would increase power, but it would need a new map to work properly.
 
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