gtb2260 on standard map?

[vroomtshh]

Well you can lead a horse (or an ostrich in this case) to water....

Lol at ostrich. I currently have one of the most tuned diesels in the UK. I had a GTB turbo fitted before most people on here knew what they were.

I'll tell you what I'll do. You pay for the above company that your bumming, to map my car - If its quicker, more powerful, or drives better than now, I'll give you the money back. If not, I'll get my mapper to put it back to how it should be and you'll have a nice experience to write about on the internet

 

[Leon2012]

Do you even read tdiclub.com ? It sounds like you're unfamiliar with it if you lack respect for Malone, et al.

A more attractive bet would be:

I pay for a map, but if it's better, you pay me TWICE back.

It would be an expensive experience for you, but at least you'd have a better car at the end of it, and for reasons of obvious fairness it would be an independent person testing your car before and after for smoothness, drivability and lack of smoke (and he would hold your money). The loser would also have to pay all labour involved in setting up the new map, as well as any track time to test it properly.

All in all a highly expensive time for you, and you've not even said who your guy is. Is he some kind of wild card no-one's ever heard of, or is he just a standard UK tuner?

 

[vroomtshh]

Do you even read tdiclub.com ? It sounds like you're unfamiliar with it if you lack respect for Malone, et al.

A more attractive bet would be:

I pay for a map, but if it's better, you pay me TWICE back.

It would be an expensive experience for you, but at least you'd have a better car at the end of it, and for reasons of obvious fairness it would be an independent person testing your car before and after for smoothness, drivability and lack of smoke (and he would hold your money).

Not a problem. Who would you like to drive my car, and when would you like me to send logs.

I'm too busy doing real stuff to my car to read every post on every forum.

 

[Leon2012]

Not a problem. Who would you like to drive my car, and when would you like me to send logs.

I'm too busy doing real stuff to my car to read every post on every forum.

You sound like you don't know anything about Malone, or TDTuning, or Rocketchip, so this is like taking candy from a baby....do yourself a favour and read some of the info on tdiclub.com Power Enhancements forum if you've got such a modded TDI, as I'm sure you'd learn a lot.

If you already do read there, you should know those names and what they mean.

Doing tests would have to be done independently, involving a lot of time and expense, and unless you've got some secret hermit professor analysing your ECU then you don't stand a chance anyway, as the N. Americans have way too much knowledge and experience to produce anything less than amazing!

 

[vroomtshh]

You sound like you don't know anything about Malone, or TDTuning, or Rocketchip, so this is like taking candy from a baby....do yourself a favour and read some of the info on tdiclub.com Power Enhancements forum if you've got such a modded TDI, as I'm sure you'd learn a lot.

If you already do read there, you should know those names and what they mean.

Doing tests would have to be done independently, involving a lot of time and expense, and unless you've got some secret hermit professor analysing your ECU then you don't stand a chance anyway, as the N. Americans have way too much knowledge and experience to produce anything less than amazing!

Your an idiot. I take it your not interested in my offer then. Theres plenty of people on here who would be able to drive my car before and after. I can have a proper smoke test and rolling roads done too.

 

[Leon2012]

I only stand to make a couple of hundred quid, and my time is worth more than that.

A remap from N. America is about $300-350, and even if I spend MY valuable time improving YOUR car, I only get $300-350, and you get a better car....hardly a good deal for me. If I spent that same time working on my own business, I can make ten fold that. This is just a hobby and having had a look through your Reader's Ride, I can't see any talk of engine mods, apart from you stating at the start "hybrid turbo, custom stage 2 remap"....what does that mean? which turbo? who did the remap? The rest of your thread is all about aesthetics and bodykits, colour coding, etc, not power mods which is what I'm most interested in, as are the others on tdiclub.

You should remap your car yourself with a N. American tuner and if you're not happy with it, I'm sure they'd give you a refund, if you're that scared of risking your own money to try for something better.

 

[vroomtshh]

I only stand to make a couple of hundred quid, and my time is worth more than that.

A remap from N. America is about $300-350, and even if I spend MY valuable time improving YOUR car, I only get $300-350, and you get a better car....hardly a good deal for me. If I spent that same time working on my own business, I can make ten fold that. This is just a hobby and having had a look through your Reader's Ride, I can't see any talk of engine mods, apart from you stating at the start "hybrid turbo, custom stage 2 remap"....what does that mean? which turbo? who did the remap? The rest of your thread is all about aesthetics and bodykits, colour coding, etc, not power mods which is what I'm most interested in, as are the others on tdiclub.

You should remap your car yourself with a N. American tuner and if you're not happy with it, I'm sure they'd give you a refund, if you're that scared of risking your own money to try for something better.

Yeh like I said, your an idiot. I think the fact that your not taking me up on the offer says enough. My car has had 10s of hours gone into the mapping, but for $3-350 dollars I could have had a much better map.

 

[Leon2012]

Oh yeah, I'd have to invest about a grand and get a few hundred profit...for your benefit, someone I don't know and don't particularly like.

The map is $300-350, but you need a flash device too, which they can rent you or you can buy.

If you're so into TDIs, I'm v.surprised you're not more into the American side of things.

RyanP knows that's where it's at, and he's using that specialist mentality and adopting it over here, to provide a higher standard of diesel tuning in the UK.

Fair play to him, but N.America is where the cutting edge is at, like it or not.

 

[vroomtshh]

Oh yeah, I'd have to invest about a grand and get a few hundred profit...for your benefit, someone I don't know and don't particularly like.

The map is $300-350, but you need a flash device too, which they can rent you or you can buy.

If you're so into TDIs, I'm v.surprised you're not more into the American side of things.

RyanP knows that's where it's at, and he's using that specialist mentality and adopting it over here, to provide a higher standard of diesel tuning in the UK.

Fair play to him, but N.America is where the cutting edge is at, like it or not.

I can flash it no problems. All I would need is the software. Not sure how that means you need to invest a grand?

You assume far too much. I've never said I wasn;t into the american side of things. What I said was that American mappers are no better than UK. My mapper regularly works in the states. He's currently in Australia (probably mapping a sheep or a kangaroo)

RyanP isn't offering a higher standard of diesel tuning (Sorry Ryan). What hes done is make something commercially available thats been available for years beforehand. But to use that option, you need to pay a premium for it.

 

[Seatmann]

You do know that Ryan has made bigger gains with his tunes than the americans do? I've spoken to Ryan countless times as well as malone and I also spend a huge amount of time on the tdiclub. I don't believe that Ryan would back this up regarding the north american tuning.

There are good tuners over here too that can do really good custom maps. We tend to have better fuel as well as unlimited parts and I think by now that UK tuners have it fairly in the bag. Not all of them but a good few.

I think this is a ridiculous argument personally

 

[Canners89]

I have to say Leon2012 after your previous cringe-worthy post about, and i quote ' If I spent that same time working on my own business, I can make ten fold that' then i dont see why this supposed thousand pound outlay is such an issue seen as you clearly earn so much money!? Plus your going to make it back, with a bit of profit, or at least you seemed rather confident before Vroomtshh called your bluff

 

[vroomtshh]

You do know that Ryan has made bigger gains with his tunes than the americans do? I've spoken to Ryan countless times as well as malone and I also spend a huge amount of time on the tdiclub. I don't believe that Ryan would back this up regarding the north american tuning.

There are good tuners over here too that can do really good custom maps. We tend to have better fuel as well as unlimited parts and I think by now that UK tuners have it fairly in the bag. Not all of them but a good few.

I think this is a ridiculous argument personally

I have to say Leon2012 after your previous cringe-worthy post about, and i quote ' If I spent that same time working on my own business, I can make ten fold that' then i dont see why this supposed thousand pound outlay is such an issue seen as you clearly earn so much money!? Plus your going to make it back, with a bit of profit, or at least you seemed rather confident before Vroomtshh called your bluff

Thats the difference between having read stuff on the internet, and the been there, done that experience

 

[Spirit Furtive]

The Golf on VWVortex thats in the link is a pretty decent build but for some reason he is still running a SMIC?

 

[Leon2012]

I can flash it no problems. All I would need is the software. Not sure how that means you need to invest a grand?

You assume far too much. I've never said I wasn;t into the american side of things. What I said was that American mappers are no better than UK. My mapper regularly works in the states. He's currently in Australia (probably mapping a sheep or a kangaroo)

RyanP isn't offering a higher standard of diesel tuning (Sorry Ryan). What hes done is make something commercially available thats been available for years beforehand. But to use that option, you need to pay a premium for it.

This is the TDI tuning page of Malone Tuning: http://malonetuning.com/?page_id=539

Send Mark an email saying you've already got a flashing device, and you're interested in his tune but you're not sure if it's worth the investment. With his track record, experience with virtually all of his customers saying his maps are better, and a very high level of customer care, I'd think he'd say you could get a refund if it's not better than what you've currently got. He'd want to see a log of yours to start with anyway, so he'd see you've already got a Stage 2 map and are not just trying to get a free map.

You misquoted me on Ryan, what I said was "RyanP is offering a higher standard of diesel tuning in the UK.", which is true as before Ryan nowhere was selling GTB conversion kits or Southbend clutches, etc, in the UK.

So he deserves merit for that, even though it was of course pioneered over in North America.

It'd be great if Whitbread were here in the UK, he's got a very high rep for building awesome TDIs over there. If you look him up, I'm sure you'd be impressed with his work: he does some great custom builds, including his own tubular manifolds, and Malone/TDTuning/Rocketchip do the map/tune. The price I believe would be cheaper than in the UK, because as you say it's expensive at the moment here.

 

[vroomtshh]

I have no interest in putting someones map on my car. I would have done in order to prove you wrong, but I'm certainly not paying out for something the car doesnt need and certainly won;t benefit from.

My car doesn;t have a stage 2 map. If you check my readers ride again, thats from 2008-2009 time.

No-one was selling GTB 'kits' but anyone could fit a GTB turbo. Ryan has just made them commercially available, like I said.

 

[Leon2012]

I have to say Leon2012 after your previous cringe-worthy post about, and i quote ' If I spent that same time working on my own business, I can make ten fold that' then i dont see why this supposed thousand pound outlay is such an issue seen as you clearly earn so much money!? Plus your going to make it back, with a bit of profit, or at least you seemed rather confident before Vroomtshh called your bluff

Time is money, it's not the amount of money, it's the time spent to earn the profit. You're obviously not in business yourself. If I spent that much time and money investing in an independent person to do test drives, logs, booking and paying for a track day, paying for the map, it adds up to a lot of time and effort. Yes I'd get the money back, as I've got faith in the N. American tuners, but it'd be a long drawn out affair with hardly any gain for me. Sorry but I don't think all that time is worth so little reward, maybe you're poor and think it would be, who knows (and who cares).


Seatman - I was generalising when I said N. American mappers are better than standard UK tuners, I know Ryan is good, but with the reputation those 3 in N. America I named, i.e. Malone, TDTuning and Rocketchip, they would be my choice over any of the UK/Europeans. They have mapped hundreds of cars across N. America, with outstanding results, so experience speaks volumes. I know Ryan's about big power, but I'm talking everything to do with maps, including smoothness and lack of smoke, all skilled factors in creating a map.

 

[Leon2012]

I have no interest in putting someones map on my car. I would have done in order to prove you wrong, but I'm certainly not paying out for something the car doesnt need and certainly won;t benefit from.

My car doesn;t have a stage 2 map. If you check my readers ride again, thats from 2008-2009 time.

No-one was selling GTB 'kits' but anyone could fit a GTB turbo. Ryan has just made them commercially available, like I said.

You don't know if it wouldn't benefit your car unless you tried it.

Your RR was started in April 2010, so I don't know where you get your dates from. You listed 'hybrid turbo' and 'custom stage 2 remap' then, so you can't have had your GTB for that long.

Not anyone can fit a GTB turbo, a custom manifold needs fabricating and welding, a fairly specialist job which put more people off before Ryan came along with the kits.

 

[vroomtshh]

You don;t need to invest any of that time though. All you need to do is choose a person you would like to drive it (Someone from Scotland would be nice), and pay the cost of the map.

I'll gladly arrange the rest. Its due on track on the 29th. I can have it rolling roaded or test driven pretty much anytime. Logs are hardly an issue. Flashing it isn;t an issue.

 

[vroomtshh]

You don't know if it wouldn't benefit your car unless you tried it.

Your RR was started in April 2010, so I don't know where you get your dates from. You listed 'hybrid turbo' and 'custom stage 2 remap' then, so you can't have had your GTB for that long.

Not anyone can fit a GTB turbo, a custom manifold needs fabricating and welding, a fairly specialist job which put more people off before Ryan came along with the kits.

I don;t know 100%, but I have a fair idea.

I guessed at the dates. TBH I'm not big on the readers ride thing. Thats probably why it took me 5 years to start one, then I never updated it. The GTB has been on since August 10 (approx) and has done 45k miles, so a reasonable amount of time.

So because it needs a manifold, people can;t fit them? Ryan didnt supply my manifold and I managed well enough. Strangely enough, people have been making manifolds for big turbos for all sorts of cars for as long as I remember, so its not exactly something people can;t do.

 

[Leon2012]

No, but you need TIG welding skills to weld one onto a 1.6TD manifold, and that's a more specialist skill, as it's more complicated and difficult to master.

Making tubular manifolds is a skill higher than that, and my TIG weld guy can't do tubular manifolds.