gtb2260 on standard map?

[vroomtshh]

No, but you need TIG welding skills to weld one onto a 1.6TD manifold, and that's a more specialist skill, as it's more complicated and difficult to master.

Making tubular manifolds is a skill higher than that, and my TIG weld guy can't do tubular manifolds.

Why would you need TIG?

Why can;t your TIG guy do tubular manifolds? Sounds like you need to get yourself new welder.

 

[mk4 cupra]

Now I have to say I have read all of this thread and I have found it most amusing and intreasting Leon2012 I under stand what u have been saying but ur argueeing with one of the most experience turner on the desial world vorrummtish has so much knowledge on the pd desial engine And had the car plus the tests figures and logs to prove and pervide experience.

I have a lot of respect an trust with vroomtish he has helped a lot of the desial tuners on this site and everything he says due to his knowledge is write.

I wouldnt choose to have this argueement with him Lol

 

[mk4 cupra]

Leon2012 sayin u need a tig weld

Now what u have just said there is complete rubbish being a welder my self u just made a huge merstake by saying that I could make and weld a manifold for any car with a stick welder let alone a mig or even tig

A monkey can weld I the amps are turned up high enough

 

[Canners89]

Time is money, it's not the amount of money, it's the time spent to earn the profit. You're obviously not in business yourself. If I spent that much time and money investing in an independent person to do test drives, logs, booking and paying for a track day, paying for the map, it adds up to a lot of time and effort. Yes I'd get the money back, as I've got faith in the N. American tuners, but it'd be a long drawn out affair with hardly any gain for me. Sorry but I don't think all that time is worth so little reward, maybe you're poor and think it would be, who knows (and who cares).


So basically your completely backtracking on what you originally said. Why offer the comparison if you were never going to keep to your offer? Maybe you didnt expect to be taken up on that offer? Sort of makes you look a bit stupid but hey thats your choice Lets face it its not the first thread you made yourself look a tit isit. On the point of being poor, your more than welcome to your opinion, i wont be loosing too much sleep over it to be fair.

 

[Leon2012]

It seemed like a good proposition at first, but then when I realised it'd take a lot of time and effort for little reward, it's not worth it. If he were to gamble a substantial amount, then it would be worth considering, as it would reward my time, but I'm not a gambler anyway and it would probably hurt him a lot more than me losing a few grand.


My TIG weld guy says this about welding flanges onto GTB turbos:

"TIG welding is what manufacturers use to weld any parts, pretty much it's the best there is. You can weld without any problems with it: e.g. cast iron & steel...this welding will not produce cracks because it melts the material! Even argon welding can do this without preheating.

I dont know how many GTB turbo manifolds I've welded, but I would guess over 100...and never had any problems with cracks."

Sounds like the one to me, how about you guys tell me how you'd do it?

 

[mk4 cupra]

All welding eats into the metal omg don't talk about things u clearly have no idea about yes tig is the best Weld u can use but all the other verities of welding can do the job just as well if the welder is put into the hands of someone who can weld

I can not comment on the rest of the argueement but I has been a funny read

 

[Canners89]

'but I'm not a gambler anyway'


I don't see where there is any gambling involved for you, i thought it was a stone cold certainty that you were right!?

 

[Leon2012]

'but I'm not a gambler anyway'


I don't see where there is any gambling involved for you, i thought it was a stone cold certainty that you were right!?

What I meant was he sounds like a gambler proposing it in the 1st place, and that I'm not a gambler, but don't see this as a gamble, however as stated it is an investment in time and money. An independent person would need to be employed to do logs and drive the car, as well as all the time and effort I would need to invest at my end. This time and money I could combine together putting it into my business, and make a lot more than a few hundred. Once I'd considered all the time, effort and approx. a grand investment, then it doesn't seem such an attractive business idea after all.

 

[Leon2012]

yes tig is the best Weld u can use but all the other verities of welding can do the job just as well

If TIG is the best, then that backs up my TIG welder using this technique...and your point is....?

 

[Canners89]

out of interest have you or are you actually using one of these maps from Malone? how about one of the 'lesser' UK maps have you or are you using one of these at the moment? Are you speaking from first hand experience or just what you saw on another forum?

 

[john_tdi]

guys don't argue with him. He's always right. He's only got a 110 tdi for god sake. Pretty much stock.

"my tig weld guy" lol

You can't beat someone who's life is reading forums 24 /7. Just look at the time he posts on some threads.

I'm not doubting the yanks are good at tuning. My problem, is saying they are better. Which is simply crazy. In my experience rstuning for one were great and so were ptorque (who tune cars in the BTCC!).

For me I'd have a real issue having someone tune my car from logs alone, not live on a dyno.

If I were you guys I'd just ignore him tbh. He seems to get a buzz off it.

I await the daft reply

 

[Seatmann]

All I can think of at the moment is this

 

[Canners89]

guys don't argue with him. He's always right. He's only got a 110 tdi for god sake. Pretty much stock.

"my tig weld guy" lol

You can't beat someone who's life is reading forums 24 /7. Just look at the time he posts on some threads.

 

[vroomtshh]

guys don't argue with him. He's always right. He's only got a 110 tdi for god sake. Pretty much stock.

"my tig weld guy" lol

You can't beat someone who's life is reading forums 24 /7. Just look at the time he posts on some threads.

I'm not doubting the yanks are good at tuning. My problem, is saying they are better. Which is simply crazy. In my experience rstuning for one were great and so were ptorque (who tune cars in the BTCC!).

For me I'd have a real issue having someone tune my car from logs alone, not live on a dyno.

If I were you guys I'd just ignore him tbh. He seems to get a buzz off it.

I await the daft reply

That's it in a nutshell. The guys an idiot with 0 real life knowledge.

The mapping on my car took countless hours on the road and rollers, but I could have achieved better results for £200 and a few logs?

I'm quite happy to put my money where my mouth is on this one because he has no real clue what he's talking about.

Have a read at the threads he's started. He knows everything about diesel tuning and lcr clutches, yet can't remove plastic interior parts

Work was quiet today so I thought I'd poke him a bit

 

[john_tdi]

In my last incarnation of setup, ptorque spent a whole day mapping my old car. Dyno/road etc. I can only begin to imagine the fuss it would be back/forth to america with logs and updates.

he replies to anything and everything. Sad really.

It's a shame, because if he just rained in his aspergers. Took a deep breath. Thought about if people might know more than him (lol), and considered reading his post before posting. To see if it was going to p!ss off people.

Then he might just maybe... and thats a big maybe, be ok with his awesome google skills....

 

[Leon2012]

You guys don't know what I'm upto, and I guess I'd better show you one day.

You'll see that I'm using my research and building something decent with it.

In the meantime I've got plenty of work to be getting on with.

 

[john_tdi]

You guys don't know what I'm upto, and I guess I'd better show you one day.

You'll see that I'm using my research and building something decent with it.

In the meantime I've got plenty of work to be getting on with.

Great I'm really happy for you and I can't wait!!

Please don't let me stop you on your google work.....

Dam I really miss my tuned pd150 236bhp and 385 lbft I had in the real world.

 

[Seatmann]

Dude! You can't come on here and knock UK tuners and say Malone etc are better. I wouldn't knock Malone either, I think he's a superb tuner who also really knows a lot about tuning but the fact is Europe has been tuning cars a lot longer and we also have a lot more various tdi cars. The American market is limited and you should know that by now if you're on the tdi club that much.

And also regarding manifolds, Ryan is the one who gets the manifolds made up and shipped over, most of the fancy ones over there all came from him and are welded by a British person.




OP I think you'll probably find the biggest problem with that turbo will be lag, there's loads of guys stick the vnt 17 on a standard VE engine like the ALH over on the other side of the pond and they tend to run sweet, less boost spikes than the smaller turbo but the one thing that does seem to come up is lag and that's with a smaller turbo than the one you're looking at.

 

[Tom.]

Dude! You can't come on here and knock UK tuners and say Malone etc are better. I wouldn't knock Malone either, I think he's a superb tuner who also really knows a lot about tuning but the fact is Europe has been tuning cars a lot longer and we also have a lot more various tdi cars. The American market is limited and you should know that by now if you're on the tdi club that much.

And also regarding manifolds, Ryan is the one who gets the manifolds made up and shipped over, most of the fancy ones over there all came from him and are welded by a British person.




OP I think you'll probably find the biggest problem with that turbo will be lag, there's loads of guys stick the vnt 17 on a standard VE engine like the ALH over on the other side of the pond and they tend to run sweet, less boost spikes than the smaller turbo but the one thing that does seem to come up is lag and that's with a smaller turbo than the one you're looking at.

You'd be surprised how fast these newer generation vnt turbos spool. My 2260 is now spooling as fast as my pervious 17 based hybrid.

Ryan actually had it spooling even sooner (30+ psi by 2k rpm) but the car was too savage and wouldnt put the power down.

Oh and just to add my 2 pence, Ryan used a Scottish tuner to map my car, and at great cost too. Pretty sure if he thought the yanks were that great he'd have gone for one of their $350 tunes. On his latest vehicle (mk3 Caddy with 2.0l conversion) he used a reputable dutch tuner. Obviously he didnt want the best tunes though, hey?

 

[Leon2012]

I have heard there is a great tuner in the Netherlands who does all the beastly TDIs, as have seen them mentioned in Dutch tdiclub member's signature car spec, but don't generally read the Dutch forums unless there's something specific I'm interested in like this, so thanks for the heads up.

Having heard countless glowing reports on tdiclub about Malone, TD Tuning and Rocketchip in N. America, I'd say they are the best 3 over there, and would choose one of them over someone I didn't know about. In addition, Mark Malone's customer service is fantastic.