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Ibiza FR TDi or Fiesta ST?

Discussion in 'Ibiza Mk4 (2002-2008)' started by Clark10, May 5, 2005.

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  1. Clark10

    Clark10 Full Member

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    I know this board might be a little biased, but I need all the advice I can get, basically for my next car I'll be getting one of these 2 cars, and I can't decide which, both have their pros and cons. I test drove the Ibiza a while ago, but found it really hard to form an opinion as I'm not used to driving a diesel. Anyone got any advice?
    At the minute I'm swaying towards the Ibiza, cheaper insurance and better fuel economy.
     
  2. If your comparing FR to ST, I'd go for the Fiesta.

    But if your comparing Cupra to ST, I'd say go for the Ibiza ;)
     
  3. Chemical Al

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    why?
     
  4. Clark10

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    It's an FR
    I'd probably end up getting it chipped though.
     
  5. Chemical Al

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    It would give it a good run for its money anyway, not as quick off the mark but has oodles of torque.

    also cheaper on tax too
     
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    to be honest compare the fr petrol against the st then you will have a better idea.

    In standard 150 form the petrol FR is quicker than the ST, the handler is a little better on the st admittedly

    But if you can spend £500 on the FR then you can have 215bhp, low 6 sec 0-60, thats scooby territory.

    the tdi is good but personally i think against the ST the Petrol would be a better comparison. Plus the FR petrol provides better fuel economy than the ST.

    Test drive a petrol FR , TDi FR and ST back to back. Plus the ST's are common as shite now, especialy in essex
     
  7. Clark10

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    To be honest the petrol FR doesn't appeal to me as much as either the TDi or the ST, no idea why though. :confused:
     
  8. Tom B

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    Try both and see what you think.

    That's the only real way of finding out!
     
  9. T. Spark

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    I was looking at a ST, but got the FR TDi...

    After words out lass whent to go buy a Sport Ka.... not bad for a ford... :p

    Anyway the sales dude basically slated the ST saying it was naff... so go figure.

    As for handling, I believe the Ibiza FR TDi handles well, if u put alot in, uj get alot out... if u make a mistake whilst doing that, ur crash which is bad. But if not, works out goood!

    My new saying when generally beating cars from starts, or woteva is "I bet im getting better miles per gallon whilst I whoop his ass aswell" :D

    Derv 4eva.....

    Unless I win the lotto or sumet :p
     
  10. big ALI H

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    Ant, there is a diesel ST now too ;) Only a 1.6 though i believe and not as quick as the FR TDI
     
  11. muddyboots

    muddyboots Still hanging around

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    It's not the same 1.6 diesel as used by Citroen is it ?
    My neighbour bought a 110bhp Picasso recently, and was telling me it's a 1.6, which I thought was pretty good for it's size. But I suppose if VAG are squeezing 160bhp from a 1.9 then in theory you should still be able to get reasonable power from a 1.6.
     
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    I believe so mate, its also the same engine as in the Mazda 3
     
  13. Ant FR

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    They don't do an ST diesel mate, the one you are referring to is the 1.6 TDCI Zetec-s which is the diesel version of the 1.6 petrol Zetec-s. its only 90 bhp and is very much different to the ST. has the same bodykit but thats where the similarities end. Different brakes, different suspension, 60 bhp down on the ST smaller wheels, different seats, every different in deed.

    If they do ever release a Diesel ST ( which ford have said no to already) then they would have put the new 2.0 Diesel from the focus ( 140bhp) in it.

    Handling on the ST is spot on and it has laped fords test track 2 secs faster than a Focus RS as it can carry a lot more speed through the corners.

    On the straights an FR would win hands down, but around the twisty stuff the ST is better, and quite a lot better.
     
  14. big ALI H

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    My mistake, probably confused me by having the same bodykit :rolleyes: :whistle: :hide: :cheers:
     
  15. the cat

    the cat Like a dog with a bone.

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    Aye

    Dont forget the ST is £500 dearer than the FR and it doesnt come with climate control, only aircon.

    I do like the look of the ST, but not sure I like the interior (apart from the seats, which are nice). If it was me, I'd buy the FR (petrol gives better performance, diesel is cheaper to run, both are chippable) over the ST. You can always add some sideskirts like Ant's.

    BTW Ant, I saw your FR at Santa Pod 2 weeks ago (I think it was yours) and it looked very nice. Didnt see it go down the strip though?
     
  16. Wayne

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    I was looking at both cars as well...

    Problem is that I live in Essex, and I knew that the ST would be rife. It's bloody everywhere now, my friend has one, as does the guy round the corner from him.

    My initial reaction to the car was that it felt a bit cheap inside. I have the FR, so I know what cheap plastics are like, but I still prefer it ;). I think the rear of the FR looks better, and the front looks miles better with the dual lamps rather than the ST's cheap looking light setup.

    The seats are nice in the ST, but the specs have changed. My mates does not have ESP, they informed him a week before he was due to pick it up.

    The power of the 130 engine is good as well, it certainly feels fast now that its bedded in a little. My only bad thought is that perhaps I should have got the diesel Cupra, but thats mainly because of its bodykit.

    Saying all this, the ST is a good motor, better than the C2 VTS that I also drove. Im glad I chose the FR in the end.
     
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    Get the FORD. You stand more chance of getting spares
    (disgruntled FR owner!! :censored: )
     
  18. Ant FR

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    Why thank you, It was nice and clean, but still have the bloody curbed wheel on it which has woulnd me up, these are being done very soon, going anthracite on all 4 wheel. As you will see there is a lot of stuff nearly ready to go on sitting in my garage just waiting for the sprayer to give me a date, but definatley done by end of the month.

    not taking it up the strip until i have had the JBS custom code done.

    I will be happy when finished.
     
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    Link?

    I find that very hard to believe, the RS is MUCH faster than the ST, and even if the Fiesta could go quicker round corners, which I dont believe either, then the power would more than make up for it.
     
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