DPJ said:Saul & Pabs........ A visit to your private roads are needed!
And you expect to prove what from this? Not like you're gonna be able to tell what difference there is - unless you car is VERY down on your estimated power?
And you expect to prove what from this? Not like you're gonna be able to tell what difference there is - unless you car is VERY down on your estimated power?
Pabs said:
My car on Awesome's rollers
Saul's car on Awesome's rollers
(WHP figures)
With a similar spec, I would be happy to be a few bhp behind Saul......
Pabs said:
Sorry if you took this the wrong way Pabs, it was said in jest. I was only going on from Wilko's suggestion a few posts ago...............
DPJ said:
sorry mate, my bad. I know it was in jest, just had a lot of people trying to question the power figures i got.
I would assume my figures are at the flywheel anyway, and yours at the wheels.. I use the flywheel figures as its a direct comparison to the 180 that SEAT quote as std.
My logs all look very similar to yours to be honest - my car doesnt feel down on power as such
Pabs said:
Saul has:
Revo 2
Full Milltek
Carbonio
Optimax
I've got
Revo2
BlueFlame Turbo back
Max Flow
Optimax.
Wilko mentioned plugs a little while ago - in between Awesome RR and now I've replaced mine. Old plugs wouldn't account for that much difference though, would they?
The 60-100 test is very repeatable. Flat road, driver only, same gear, foot floored at 50, timed 60-100. Mines repeatable by about 0.2-0.3 secs. Always has been at various stages of mods.
I use it as a test to see if powers down or not if the car doesn't feel right.It's been more accurate than any logs as an indicator.
I use it as a test to see if powers down or not if the car doesn't feel right.It's been more accurate than any logs as an indicator.
Well I have:
Revo 2 (4 bar fpr etc)
Milltek 200cet cat/dp combo
Supersprint cat-back mated to the above
carbonio
optimax
SPS3 set to 6,6.
Forge 007P relocated (not that i can see this making any difference)
I have recently had new spark plugs (i was running 50k old plugs on the RR)
In reality the 3 cars side by side should only be, as you said, a few bhp away from each other... would be interesting to see results from the same RR's, granted.
Whats the bhp/whp conversion method again? If I have done it right it puts my figures somewhere in the middle of yours and sauls..
Revo 2 (4 bar fpr etc)
Milltek 200cet cat/dp combo
Supersprint cat-back mated to the above
carbonio
optimax
SPS3 set to 6,6.
Forge 007P relocated (not that i can see this making any difference)
I have recently had new spark plugs (i was running 50k old plugs on the RR)
In reality the 3 cars side by side should only be, as you said, a few bhp away from each other... would be interesting to see results from the same RR's, granted.
Whats the bhp/whp conversion method again? If I have done it right it puts my figures somewhere in the middle of yours and sauls..
Pabs said:
No, your figures look respectable. I was only pulling your leg.
To be honest, my car is rapid. The trouble is, since disappointing RR results, the doubt sets in and the big grin factor fades. If I can't resolve this, I'm tempted to take get Awesome to put APR stage2 on it instead......
strange you should say that mate, my car has suspension "issues" at the moment (i need arb's) and it makes me feel like the cars a bag of sh*te... lol. Usually i love it to bits.
Surely you can't blame revo? If its the same map as Saul/me/others then i dont see how changing to APR and the additional cost involved making it worthwhile?
Surely you can't blame revo? If its the same map as Saul/me/others then i dont see how changing to APR and the additional cost involved making it worthwhile?
Pabs said:
Awesome gave Saul 223bhp flywheel and mine 210bhp. Saul's shows a much better torque graph than mine - that's the real root of my disquiet.....
hmm ok - so maybe my figures are a tad optimistic LOL
However, i'd also think that Revo's estimates for stage 2 output would be a bit high if this was the case - they say up to 15% more power than stage 1. With the old 4 bar FPR giving 217bhp, only getting 210 on yours/223 on sauls means that stage 2 is no better than the old 4bar program?
LOLHowever, i'd also think that Revo's estimates for stage 2 output would be a bit high if this was the case - they say up to 15% more power than stage 1. With the old 4 bar FPR giving 217bhp, only getting 210 on yours/223 on sauls means that stage 2 is no better than the old 4bar program?
Pabs said:
No, I don't blame Revo, I've really enjoyed 4 months of Stage 1 and 6 months with stage 2. It's been tremendous and I'd recommend it. The problem I have is that I would like to have got the max out of the KO3S and I just don't know that I'm anywhere near that.
So far, the logs that I started this thread with seem to show that there's not a lot wrong with my car. I've got an SPS3 on its way and sure, I can have a play and a tweak, but that's not (unless someone can tell me different) going to give me a measurable change unless I get it on the rollers again (240 mile round trip).
If I was to take it to Awesome to be remapped to APR, I get RR runs against which I can quickly do vag-com logs to give myself a set of figures for reference at a later date. I'll know what power/bhp I have (By Awesome's reckoning....)
Pabs said:hmm ok - so maybe my figures are a tad optimistic
However, i'd also think that Revo's estimates for stage 2 output would be a bit high if this was the case - they say up to 15% more power than stage 1. With the old 4 bar FPR giving 217bhp, only getting 210 on yours/223 on sauls means that stage 2 is no better than the old 4bar program?
There has been quite a bit on here about unmapped cars putting out std figures on the rollers. The questionmarks are over the mappers' claims - and these are subject to the dyno lottery (TM Bill). So did the 4bar Revo program put out 217bhp?
Stage 2 is definitely better than 4bar Stage 1 by many bhp. If there was ever a 240+bhp KO3s 1.8T car, it's Saul's. I have no doubt it would show that on other RRs. Yours might too. Pabs.
Yeh, i understand and agree with that. Just seems weird that your car's power on stage 2 is LESS than the 4bar stg1 prog that used to be on offer by almost 10bhp... seems quite a considerable difference considering 10bhp is 25% of the claimed increase....
I doubt I'll get more than the figures I got on my Regal RR day - just a bit concerned that my torque is quite a bit lower than Sauls.....
But at you say, this is all the dyno lottery - the only way to really compare is if we had an RR day together, same conditions/equipment/operators. Then we could see the differences, but i suppose we'd be none the wiser as to WHY there is a difference(if there is a big difference that can't be down to petrol quality and other factors) , with such closely spec'd cars.
I'm gonna shut up now - i'm waffling and confusing myself.
I doubt I'll get more than the figures I got on my Regal RR day - just a bit concerned that my torque is quite a bit lower than Sauls.....
But at you say, this is all the dyno lottery - the only way to really compare is if we had an RR day together, same conditions/equipment/operators. Then we could see the differences, but i suppose we'd be none the wiser as to WHY there is a difference(if there is a big difference that can't be down to petrol quality and other factors) , with such closely spec'd cars.
I'm gonna shut up now - i'm waffling and confusing myself.
Martyn said:
A new Maf just before the Christmas RR day at Awesome, Martyn.
rpm----g/s
1640 17.47 12.9 19.50 0 0 0 0
1720 26.44 21.2 20.30 0 0 0 0
1880 37.11 98.4 15.00 0 3 0 3
2120 50.14 100 15.00 0 3 3 3
2360 72.5 100 9.00 0 3 3 2.3
2720 106.08 100 0.80 0 2.3 3 2.3
3080 119.25 100 0.80 0 2.3 2.3 1.5
3440 127.81 100 1.50 0 2.3 1.5 0.8
3800 140.08 100 3.00 0 0.8 0.8 0
4200 152.53 100 3.00 0 0 0 0
4520 161.56 100 4.50 0 0 0 0
4840 166.69 100 4.50 0 0 0 0
5120 171.14 100 6.80 0 0 0 0
5360 177.08 100 6.00 0 0 0 0
5640 180.69 100 9.00 0 0 0 0
5920 184.06 100 9.80 0 0 0 0
6120 185.19 100 10.50 0 0 0 0
6280 184.06 100 12.00 0 0 0 0
6480 185.78 100 12.80 0 0 0 0
6560 186.58 100 14.30 0 0 0 0
6720 185.19 100 13.50 0 0 0 0
5640 5.61 8.2 11.30 0 0 0 0
Dave, those MAF figures are very good for a K03S.
Pabs / Saul...Do you gave any airflow logs to compare?
Pabs / Saul...Do you gave any airflow logs to compare?
Yeah those logs do look VERY good tbh. 230bhp ish. I would stop worryin about it and chasing figures if i was you.
Two words. DYNO LOTTERY
Two words. DYNO LOTTERY
Martyn said:
That's the thing! Why doesn't this car perform on the rollers!!!
See this MAF log on a slightly colder evening a month ago!
1680 17.83
1720 29.39
1920 36.97
2200 56.06
2560 84.06
2920 105.5
3320 120.89
3680 135.14
4080 151.86
4400 160.14
4800 165.33
5160 174.08
5520 180.08
5800 186.64
6080 188.39
6320 193.08
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