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Seat Sport Cupra brake caliper info

Discussion in 'Mk4 Ibiza Guides (6L) 2002-2008' started by kriso, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. kriso

    kriso _______ C U P R A _______

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    I've gathered quite a bit of info on the Seat Sport calipers so thought I'd put it all in one place in case it helps others. Maybe someone can make this a Sticky?

    The calipers are 4 pot fixed calipers made by AP Racing and supplied direct to Seat Production. OEM replacement pads are around £100 but quite a few people use Ferodo DS2500 instead (same shape as Clio V6 which are easier to come by). They are around the same price and perform better. See Bill in the Badger5 forum for more info.

    AP recommend replacing the retaining pins and spring when the pads are changed. These are available as part of a fitting kit from Seat (expensive!) or individually from an AP distributor.

    Several people (5 at the last count and including myself!) have had alot of problems getting the retaining pins out which, for some reason, tend to get seized in place. AP Racing haven't been able to explain why this happens and this retention method is used across their range. I wonder if it is to do with the bridge bolts/sleeves corroding - they seem to be omitted from most of their other calipers.

    According to AP, the pins are supposed to be removed using a a pin punch no more than 4mm in diameter and approx 20mm long. But often they need to be cut out and then replaced.


    Forum links

    My ordeal
    Fitting guide


    Useful AP Racing part numbers:

    Right leading caliper : CP6607-8S0
    Left leading caliper : CP6607-9S0
    Retaining pins : CP6607-31
    Piston seal kit CP4525-JJ
    Bridge bolt : CP5555-156ST
    Bridge tube : CP5200-124


    Tightening torques

    Bleed screw : 17Nm
    Hydraulic feed : 25Nm
    Retainer bolts : 17Nm
    Caliper to upright bolts : 120Nm


    Specs

    Dry weight : 3.4kg
    Pistons : 4x 1.5" per caliper
    Max disc diameter : 312mm
    Max disc thickness : 25mm
    Min disc thickness : 25mm
    Min pad thickness : 2mm

    If anyone has any other info about these calipers, post it up here
     
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  2. kriso

    kriso _______ C U P R A _______

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    Just in case anyone fancies replacing the piston seals :) -


    Removal:

    Before removal procedure begins the brake caliper should be thoroughly cleaned using warm soapy water only. Ensure that all hydraulic ports are sealed before cleaning and dry caliper thoroughly before work begins. Do not use chemical cleaners of any kind or petrol/gasoline as this will cause permanent damage to the new seals.

    1) Use a reaction block selected to fill the full width of the caliper pathway as shown in fig.1. This block must span the length of the caliper opening and be well supported between the brake pad abutments at either end of the caliper.

    2) Loosely insert a hydraulic fitting (M10x1.0) into the caliper feed port as shown in fig.2 (a spare Bleed Screw loosely fitted will suffice). Do not tighten to form a seal.

    3) Press a hand held air gun against the fitting as shown in fi g.3 and allow a short, high pressure burst of air to enter the caliper (a perfect seal between the air gun and fitting is neither necessary or advisable). Keep all body parts away from escaping air and caliper pistons.

    4) A single burst of air should be sufficient to extend all pistons at once as shown in fig.4. If one or more pistons remain jammed in the caliper body after repeating this step then the caliper may need to be returned to AP Racing for assessment. Please contact AP Racing Technical for assistance.

    5) Remove reaction block. It is possible that the dirt seals may become detached from the caliper body at this point. If so the pistons can be carefully pulled from the caliper body with dirt seals attached. It is also possible that the dirt seal may become detached from the piston in which case the piston should be pulled through the dirt seal to remove. Where dirt seal remains attached to both piston and caliper body a small blunt instrument (such as a rounded off screwdriver, see fig.10) should be used to carefully release the dirt seal from the piston, as shown in fi g.5.

    6) Fig.6 shows pistons removed with dirt seals remaining attached to caliper body.

    7) The dirt seal can now be removed by carefully inserting a narrow, blunt blade (such as a medium sized screwdriver) through the seal opening and between the outer ring of the seal and the back wall of the dirt seal recess as shown in fig.7. By gently turning the screwdriver the seal should work free. Only very light force is required to perform this operation. Never use excessive force as damage to caliper body may result.

    8) Once dirt seal is removed the pressure seal will be exposed, located in the groove in the caliper body as shown in fig.8.

    9) Using the small blunt instrument from step 5 (see fig.10), carefully remove the pressure seal from the caliper body as shown in fig.9.

    10) All dirt and pressure seals should be removed from the caliper by following the above procedure. Before new seals are fitted all pistons and the caliper body should be inspected for damage. If damage of any kind is present on either the caliper bores or piston outer diameters the caliper should be considered unfit for use and either replaced of returned to AP Racing for assessment. If in doubt regarding any aspect of caliper safety please contact AP Racing Technical for assistance.

    Refitting:

    11) Before re-assembly ensure that all parts are perfectly clean and free from debris or moisture. Replacement pressure seals should be soaked in AP Racing DOT 5.1 brake fluid for 30 minutes prior to fitment. Do not remove excess brake fluid as the excess will aid fi tment of pistons. Do not soak dirt seals.

    12) Carefully fit pressure seal into groove in caliper body ensuring that it seats correctly in the groove. Seal should be free from damage and not be twisted or kinked. Pre-assemble dirt seal on piston (seal locates in groove on piston end). Carefully slide piston into caliper bore (pressure seal must already have been installed as shown in fig.11. Only light pressure applied by hand is required. If piston does not slide easily into place remove and inspect parts. If difficulty is experienced when installing pistons please contact AP Racing Technical for assistance.

    13) The dirt seals can now be pressed into caliper body. Carefully locate seal in caliper body using finger pressure only. Then select a suitable rigid, flat bar or similar as shown in fig.12. and position to cover dirt seal.

    14) Apply slow and even pressure to dirt seal using bar as shown in fig.13. Care must be taken to ensure that dirt seal is inserted square to the caliper body.

    15) On correct installation the dirt seal should sit fl ush with the caliper body as shown in fig.14. Repeat steps 12 to 15 to fit all remaining pistons and seals. Once calipers are refitted to vehicle a pressure test should be carried out to check for leaks. With the engine running press the brake pedal and hold at a constant load for 60 seconds. No ‘sinking’ of the brake pedal should occur. If the pedal does ‘sink’ (travel further when under constant/steady load) it should be considered that a leak in the brake system is present. If a leak is suspected check all hydraulic joints and inspect reconditioned calipers. If cause of leak cannot be identified contact AP Racing Technical for assistance before vehicle is used. The repair kit may also contain 2 off small ‘O’rings for replacement of Bleed Screw seals where fi tted. There may also be replacement Bleed Screw dust caps included. Where included these parts should be fitted to the brake caliper.

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  3. Smee

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    Hello

    Good post

    can you please tell me how many of each bit i need to order if i dont buy the fitting kit from Seat?

    Thanks

    Lee
     
  4. mardon

    mardon Feel the DIFFerence

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    I can confirm I also had a nightmare getting new disks/pads fitted due to items seezing up.
     
  5. boomhauwer

    boomhauwer 1.4 TDI Turbomotive :D

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    question: on the mark 5 cupra the 4pot sport brakes are an option, is this also the case for the mark4 cupra or are the AP racing brakes standard?
     
  6. Damoegan

    Damoegan Sir Bob,a geordy legend..

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    Standars on both 20VT and TDI in the UK but they were a optional extra in the rest of europe.
     
  7. F2 Stu

    F2 Stu I. Am. Legend.

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    Never had the pins sieze up on me, same with the bridge bolts :shrug:

    Coating the ends with copper slip on each change helps!
     
  8. mardon

    mardon Feel the DIFFerence

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    They dont come coated from the factory and if you live by the sea it can be a problem.
     
  9. Tom Duff

    Tom Duff Guest

    What size are the pistons on these?
     
  10. Tom Duff

    Tom Duff Guest

    Sorry just re-read the first post.
     
  11. rod the sod

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    any tips on cleaning the seat sport brake calipers? i have tried eveything and just cant seem to get them looking good!
     
  12. vroomtshh

    vroomtshh Full Member

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    Scotchbrite and fresh paint :funk:
     
  13. techie

    techie Skoda Techie

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    Probably worth noting these are the same as the racing brake option on the Mk5 Ibiza.
     
  14. rod the sod

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    does that mean the wheels off the mk5 will fit on the mk with the ap racing brakes?

    i have given up cleaning them, the more i try the more pink they turn!
     
  15. Ric 2001

    Ric 2001 Need an ID-ten-T form

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    More info...... OP's Retaining pins : CP6607-31 is actually a full retaining pin set + pads+retaining springs.

    Correct order code just for the pins is...... CP7600-109 @ a massive £1.28 each!!!!

    Also just got a set of DS2500 for £77
     
  16. kriso

    kriso _______ C U P R A _______

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    Wow, makes you wonder how Seat can charge £143 for the LCR Brembo pins and springs (no pads)!!

    Apart from the pins being slightly longer for the LCR, the set is almost identical [:@]
     
  17. great_kahn

    great_kahn Spooge

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    Becuase SEAT are robbing *******s?
     
  18. mattbrowning

    mattbrowning Newbie

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    Where did you get them from mate? I rang AP Racing and they said to go through one of their distributors :help:
     
  19. Ric 2001

    Ric 2001 Need an ID-ten-T form

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    On the distributors list there was a place in rochdale (near to me). However they only pick up from AP on a Wednesday.
     
  20. gerallt1

    gerallt1 Guest

    Where did you get your pads and pins from?
     

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